Posted on 08/11/2005 11:09:43 AM PDT by 68skylark
I hate to quibble, but America was not defeated in Vietnam, at least not militarily. United States forces never lost a major engagement to the Communists.
Morever, when South Vietnam did fall, it was not to a "local fighting force" (the Viet Cong were pretty much eliminated as an effective force after the Tet offensive). Instead, it took a full-scale invasion from North Vietnam to defeat the South. That invasion would have failed had the United States supported South Vietnam.
The Vietnam War was lost in the halls of Congress.
Except over at DU use the f-word multiple times in each post -- it's part of Democratic culture as the "sophisticated" party.
Yeah. Either that, or you could say it was lost on the nightly TV network news broadcast. I'm glad those days are behind us.
I am not so sure they are behind us. The Leftists in this country are doing all they can to ensure that Iraq becomes a repeat of Vietnam.
I see no way that U.S. armed forces can lose the shooting war in Iraq. But they could lose the propaganda war here at home.
Yeah, the days of a Walter Cronkite-like figure are long gone (unless you want to count Brit Hume).
I realize the left is a dangerous and wily opponent in struggle for the hearts and minds of Americans. But I don't think there's any doubt they've really lost respect for their best weapon (TV network news).
They'll have to come up with some pretty clever new ideas in order to win the propaganda war this time. And their websites (like DU) aren't doing them any favors either.
The war in Iraq was won with the 2004 Congressional and Presidential elections. It is expected that our standdown in Iraq will begin in 2006. There is nothing to indicate that we are going to suddenly pull troops and abandon Iraq before then. Even if the Democrats somehow take complete control of Congress in the 2006 elections, it will be too late. Iraq will be protected by their own forces by the time the Democrats could theoretically come into power in 2007.
While the media and Democrat politicians may be hurting the effort, they certainly are not defeating it. This is not Vietnam. They don't have enough time to politically destroy Iraq.
True, true..
lol, but that is hardley the weapon being refered to.
As others have pointed, it's not the 1st that's the problem, it's the people using it to undermine the war effort. In some ways, I wonder if we really 'won' the Cold War. In retrospect, the damage has been done in that about 1/3 of the US populace supports socialism to some varying degree.
All any enemy has to do is align themselves with this faction to be perceived as a 'victim' of the West. Imagine if Germany/Japan had utilized this strategy. In fact, it's not hard to imagine that a future foe, such as China, will be sophisticated enough to realize that it should first drum up grievances echoed by the left: imperialism, mercantilism, corporatism, worker exploitation, ad infinitum.
I think this is where Bush and his advisors have failed. He never got the support he needed to push through true war measures that Lincoln, Wilson & FDR enjoyed. I hate to say it, but it may take a Dem president to bring in another 15-20% on the left to finally get the nation to come to grips with what the future holds if we fail in the ME.
It was outlawed because it allowed a common peasant to shoot a projectile that would penetrate knight armor
Somewhat like the hysterics we get today over ammo that would penetrate body armor or threaten armored limos
I sure they do,I knew that when I wrote it...but who argument holds up under cold logic, the left or ours, the left is famous from claiming to stake out the moral high ground and instantly retreating to biggest of lies and emotional propaganda when logically challenged
I don't claim we are pure virgin in this respect but I believe one of the core difference between the left and right or liberal, conservative today is the left will never acknowledge the blood on their hands caused by there action..there peace at any price has no consequences that they will accept responsibility for...I will accept that my actions may put the blood of some on my hands because my inaction may put the blood of many, many more on my hands.. I accept the need to make the best of hard crappy choices the world some times leaves you with...(Hell yes war is bad but there thing far worse that war)
The left thinks that there being alway"For Peace!"(at any price) leaved them clean and pure ever went there action leave them swimming in blood of innocents... therefor to lie and cheat "For Peace!" is justify
I've seen the Ionatron, I know the Ionatron, the Ionatron is a friend of mine -- The Inoatron isn't at the Wright Bros. level just yet - more like those old clips of guys jumping off barns with wings strapped to their arms. But, this catepillar just may turn into a butterfly someday. Of course, it might also be a complete bust and the NY Times will do some expose about the waste of the taxpayer dollar. In my book, if this weird contraption manages to save just one of the "Old Gray Bonnets" of the 121st Infantry Regiment then the effort will have been more than worth it.
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