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To: Dolphan
it shouldn't be up to the Gov't to make sure you practice good business practices at all times.

On that point, I agree with you, Dolphan. I was trying to be careful not to accuse you of racism.

I agree that the laws are out of synch with the constitution, but for now people like the resort manager have to work with the laws we have. He could have even put up a credible defense if he had said "with all the children and no lifeguard at the pool, I can't afford the liability or risk."

53 posted on 08/11/2005 12:57:23 PM PDT by SlowBoat407 (A living affront to Islam since 1959)
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Having observed many of these nuts over the last few years, both on FR and in local letters to the editor, I have to say that a special category of personality disorder ought to be reserved for these people. But that I mean not constitutionalists, or sensible constructionists, by any means, but for those who abandon any attempt at reasonableness or ordinary fairness for their obsessive and narrow-angled interpretations of the Constitution. Confronted with the complexities of today's world, I have no doubt that the founding fathers would have placed great emphasis on the desirability of non-discrimination by businesses and government, among other protections including rights of the unborn.
58 posted on 08/11/2005 1:11:10 PM PDT by steve86
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To: SlowBoat407; Dolphan

The laws are not out of synch with the Constitution.
The 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments, and the Civil Rights Acts of 1866 and 1873 (all enacted by the same folks: the original intent of these amendments was very clear) forbade discrimination, and gave a public right of action for private discrimination.

It was the Supreme Court, using that vaunted power of judicial review, that struck down those laws, and effectively tore those three amendments out of the Constitution, in Plessy v. Ferguson.

Now, I certainly agree that justifying the anti-discrimination decisions on the basis of the Commerce Clause was thin gruel and bad beer. A better, original intent argument would be that private discrimination against blacks in places of business violates the original intent of the 13th and 14th amendments. It is a "badge and incident of slavery".
The US amended its Constitution right after the Civil War to make blacks free and equal, and passed laws to enforce that. Racists managed to regain control of the government, and used the Supreme Court to nullify all of that through pure judicial activism.

What was the original intent of the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments? Precisely to end the oppression of the black race by the white race. That was the point. The legislative history (the 1860s equivalent of The Federalist Papers) tell us what the drafters were thinking and why they did it. So does the Civil Rights Act of 1866, and 1873, both of which resound in the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Anti-discrimination laws based explicitly on forbidding private race discrimination are a federal matter, and have been so since the Constitution was formally amended three times in the 1860s. That was the whole purpose of the Amendments.

Commerce clause was a bad argument.
13th and 14th Amendments and their original intent are an invincible argument...to any Constitutional Originalist anyway. Judicial activists, of course, can ignore all that original intent and just make up whatever they want...like strange commerce clause constructions, or that the post-Civil War Amendments were not intended to make racial equality a federal constitutional issue...


110 posted on 08/11/2005 2:40:03 PM PDT by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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