9/11 Y2K; the 9/11 attack that happened BEFORE 2001 (Free Republic Exclusive)

FAA ^ | 9/11/00 | Southack and Government Sources

[Southack]

This is the FAA accident report for the mid-air collision in Florida one year prior to the 9/11/01 attacks on the WTC and Pentagon (and PA).

I brought this up in the week of 9/11/01, but this story was apparently "lost" in the news at the time. There were subsequent articles on this topic, and where FReepers can still find them, they should be appended onto posts on this thread.

Some important points to consider:
the Saudi national who piloted his aircraft into the Piper Aztec commercial flight had received his pilot's license from the Phillipines
Early blogs at the time noted that the Saudi pilot was Mohamed Atta or Alhazmi's roommate (this point needs to be confirmed)
This was a 9/11 attack...9/11 of 2000, not 2001
The 9/11 Congressional Commission did NOT research earlier 9/11 attacks such as this one
The 9/11/01 terrorists received $100,000 wire transfer to Florida one week after their 9/11/2000 attack at Ft Pierce airport, on September 18, 2000 ( http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&startpos=300#a062900transfer )
The Ft. Pierce 9/11/2000 attack was only 83 miles from the 9/11/2001 attackers' Del Ray beach condo
...and, this 9/11/2000 attack is relevant to the new discovery that *LAWYERS* in the Clinton Administration prevented Able Danger intel (and other information) on these terrorists from reaching the FBI (read: Gorelick's Wall).

[rwfromkansas]

I am not going to assume it was a terrorist attack, but the wire transfer to Atta's account after the incident (69 grand, not 100....the 100 grand occurred between June and the final transfer Sept. 18, 2000) is a bit fishy because it is quite large compared to the other ones.

However, we do not know for sure the money was transferred because of this incident, and I won't assume.

Why do you think 9/11/01 occurred on the same date? Perhaps just in memory of this guy (who obviously was a bad guy connected with some terrorists as friends)?

[rwfromkansas]

Because of this, I do have a hard time believing it was intentional on the part of the Cherokee pilot.

However, perhaps the Aztec started slowing down on approach once it passed and the Cherokee pilot had an "air rage" mentality and decided to hit the Aztec by speeding up. Or decided why not give a mid-air collision a try. Or the Aztec could have slowed down very quickly and the Cherokee slammed into it.......who knows.

We don't know, which is why this is all speculation.

My concern with this story is not so much what happene that day, as journalistically, there is nothing definitive either way, but instead the guy's connections to terrorism.

[Jim_Curtis]

Might have been a money-raising scam in itself!

Possible, but that forethought is more than I would give these people credit for. I would guess the lawyers fell into their lap with this.

[STARWISE]

Yes. Both pilots were killed.

And, as the report states, it was concluded that the air traffic controller was at fault.

But, here's an article dated 9/14/05 that names the pilot who died in Fort Pierce, I believe.

Fla. flight schools may have trained hijackers = September 14, 2001 Posted: 12:41 AM EDT (0441 GMT)

As federal agents pored over flight school student records across Florida, they questioned Saudi flight engineer Adnan Bukhari about two Arab flight school students who lived next door to him in Vero Beach.

Neighbors said Amer Kamfar and Abdulrahman Alomari, both of whom were thought to have trained at Flight Safety Academy in Vero Beach, abruptly moved out earlier this month, The Associated Press reported.

Federal sources initially identified Bukhari and Ameer Bukhari as possible hijackers who boarded one of the planes that originated in Boston. The two men were first identified as brothers, but Adnan Bukhari said that was not the case.

Their names had been tied to a car found at an airport in Portland, Maine, but Adnan Bukhari's attorney said it appeared their identifications were stolen and said Bukhari had no role in the hijackings. A federal law enforcement official said Bukhari passed an FBI polygraph test and is not considered a suspect.

Ameer Bukhari died in a small plane crash in Florida last year, said Adnan Bukhari's attorney.

Roger Richie, a spokesman for Flight Safety Academy, confirmed that Bukhari, a flight engineer with Saudi Airlines, is part of a current yearlong program to train pilots for the airline.

He refused to discuss whether Kamfar or Alomari were connected to the program, although he did say the company turned over its records to the FBI.

"The investigation is enormous because they're going through all of Florida with a fine-tooth comb," Richie said. "They're talking to everybody that is in the flight training business. Of course, they're not sharing the results, so we can't tell who they are looking for or what they are looking for."

Flight Safety Academy and Embry-Riddle, the world's largest university specializing in aviation, enjoy a business relationship. Flight Safety houses a flight simulator on the university campus in Daytona Beach. The simulator is also available to Embry-Riddle students.

Tuition at Embry-Riddle is more than $14,000 a year, not including the cost of the flight training and simulator time required for a degree in aeronautical science.

"That is a degree students take who have an interest in making a career as a commercial pilot," said college spokesman Bob Ross. "[Waleed Al Sheri] is listed as having a commercial pilot's license."

Those aspiring to a career as a commercial pilot are often drawn to Florida, which is home to at least 250 flight training schools. Not only are programs plentiful, but the cost is relatively inexpensive for students coming from overseas.

"There's more flight training in Florida than anywhere else possibly in the world," Richie said. "The weather is very good, a lot of nice airports. There is the ocean on either side, which means places to fly out and come back."

Flight Safety is a New York-based company with 44 offices worldwide. At its Florida facility, Richie said, the school often conducts pilot training programs for major international carriers such as Korean Airlines, Swiss Air and China Air.

Because Saudi Airlines is eliminating flight engineers from its three-member crews, Richie said the airline has in the past year sent flight engineers to Florida for pilot training.

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Focus On Florida - 9/14/01

Agents were questioning Saudi flight engineer Adnan Bukhari, 41, whom a county sheriff's official said was cooperating with FBI inquiries. Bukhari was a student at Flight Safety, which trains commercial jet crews.

Agents searched four Vero Beach homes, including Bukhari's and the house next door, where another Flight Safety student, Alomari, lived with his wife and four children.

An apparent relative of Bukhari, Ameer Bukhari, was a student pilot at Flight Safety Academy when he was killed in a mid-air collision exactly a year before Tuesday's attack.

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I never knew Rudi Dekkers was deported.

UQ Wire: INS Deporting Rudi Dekkers -Tuesday, 10 December 2002, 11:45 am

I also never heard the Jeb Bush was dispatched on 9/12/01 to take Dekkers files to DC .. has anyone heard that? That's also quoted as fact at the above link.

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The Saudis have such blood on their hands.

[endthematrix]

Source: Tampa Police Department

This is the text of a note left by 15-year-old Charles Bishop, who crashed a Cessna 172R into the 28th floor of the 42-story Bank of America Plaza on Jan. 5. Tampa police released the note on Wednesday and ruled Bishop's death a suicide. Police said there was no evidence to support Bishop's claims in his two-page handwritten note or that the crash was an act of terrorism.
In the first paragraph Bishop wrote and scratched through the word 'terrorist' before the word 'acts.' In the fourth paragraph, he underlined the word 'will' in the phrase 'I will make you pay!'



I have prepared this statement in regards to the acts I am about to commit.

First of all, Osama bin Laden is absolutely justified in the terror he has caused on 9-11. He has brought a mighty nation to its knees! God blesses him and the others who helped make September 11th happen.

The U.S. will have to face the consequences for its horrific actions against the Palestinian people and Iraqis by its allegiance with the monstrous Israelis - who want nothing short of world domination!

You will pay - God help you - and I will make you pay!

There will be more coming!

Al Qaeda (cq) and other organizations have met with me several times to discuss the option of me joining, I didn't.

This is an operation done by me only. I had no other help, although I am acting on their behalf.

Osama bin Laden is planning on blowing up the Super Bowl with an antiquated nuclear bomb left over from the 1967 Israeli-Syrian war.

[Southack]

"Osama bin Laden is planning on blowing up the Super Bowl with an antiquated nuclear bomb left over from the 1967 Israeli-Syrian war."

It's just bizarre what Bishara (his real name, not Bishop, the media sanitized name) wrote on his suicide note.

It's Tom Clancy on khat. Clancy wrote back in the 1990's of a fictional suicide attack on Congress and the White House by a passenger jet. Clancy wrote again about a nuclear bomb recovered from a war against Israel, and wrote about using a nuclear bomb against a Super Bowl event.

You watch, next Clancy is going to write about an Islamic prophet ordering equal rights for women that leads to global domination of the world by "radical" Muslims. Yeah, that's the ticket! Heck, they've copied him so much already that they might emulate him there, too!

[STARWISE]

Just wandered into this, which I've never seen .. from an Open Source post, a Soros site. Have you ever heard of this?:

September 11, 2003
9-11 From Personal Experience

By Barry Bozeman

A PERSONAL MYSTERY FROM SEPTEMBER 10, 2001

On SEPTEMBER 10, 2001 (That's right-- the day before 9-11), I was preparing to leave my (then) home in San Pedro (South Bay of LA), California for LAX (Los Angeles International Airport) to pick up a business partner who was taking the last Southwest Airlines Flight of the evening from San Jose to LA. We were scheduled for a hearing in Los Angeles Superior Court the morning of 9-11 on a matter concerning a business lawsuit. My telephone rang as I was headed for the door.

Bill (my friend and partner) said he was calling from inside the Southwest airplane on the tarmac at San Jose Airport. He said that the airplane was being approached and surrounded by a large number of security and police vehicles: He estimated more than 20. Under the circumstances he thought I should wait before leaving for LAX, because it looked like he would be delayed. He sounded very worried.

Three anxious hours passed before I heard from him again. Anxious, because we had an important court hearing scheduled for Tuesday morning and we had much to prepare. When he finally called from his car while returning home, this was his story:

The airplane was towed to a remote area of San Jose Airport surrounded by the security vehicles, and the passengers were loaded on buses under the watchful eye of armed security personnel. He said, "We were taken to a large hangar, where each passenger was asked for identification and directed to seats arranged in a circle around the perimeter of the large room. . . . We could see the baggage being unloaded and searched as security officers entered the empty aircraft." He explained, "After 40 minutes, several of the male passengers were escorted from the room by armed guards."

After a two-hour wait, the remainder of the passengers were bused back to the main terminal, where their baggage was returned after another identity check. Those passengers were told to return to the airport on 9-11 for a morning flight. Bill then said that he would be returning to the San Jose airport after a few hours sleep and that he would call the next morning when he knew his new arrival time.

Before 7am PDT on the morning of the September 11, 2001, Bill called to tell me to turn on CNN. He thought something was happening that related to his experience the night before. We were still speaking on the phone as we watched the South Tower being struck by the second flight.

At that point it was clear to us that he would not be flying to Los Angeles that morning, and a few minutes later, the announcement came at San Jose Airport that flights were being held indefinitely. Within a few hours, we learned that the court hearing we were scheduled to attend was canceled. There was no question in our minds at that point that the events in San Jose the night of the tenth and the attacks on the eleventh were connected. We waited in vain to learn about the connection.

For weeks and months, we searched the media, certain that someone would reveal what was known in San Jose on the night of September 10, 2001. Finally, I gave up looking and started e-mailing investigative reporters. I sent e-mail to every news organization in California and to several online "9/11 conspiracy sites" that sprang up on the Internet. I never received a reply to my requests for information or investigation from any news organization or Web site.

It seemed clear to us as experienced (Delta Million Mile Club) frequent fliers that the extreme nature of the events of that night in San Jose meant that someone knew something about a threat to U.S. airliners 12 hours before the hijacking began in Boston. The idea that this was an isolated event, coincidental but not linked to 9-11, seemed farfetched, since the male passengers who were separated by the guards were all of Middle-Eastern appearance.

Finally, I received an e-mail reply from AL FELZENBERG, who answered my e-mail to Ms. Gorelick of the 9-11 Commission:

Sir:

I have passed your communication along to our investigators and I thank you very much for sending it along. I know it will be helpful to them.

Al Felzenberg

That is the last communication I have received about the matter.

I do find it interesting, with all of the investigative pieces on the Internet, that TRUTHOUT or From the Wilderness or MOVE ON, or some paper like The San Jose Mercury News or The San Francisco Chronicle would not want to follow up on this information. Maybe they have and they decided that there was no story there.

Maybe there is no connection, BUT - how would we know? To this day, as far as I know, nobody has ever explained the events of September 10th in San Jose.

[Southack]

That doesn't surprise me. The 9/11 hijackers spent time in San Diego...had many Southern California contacts.

[STARWISE]

This was San Jose, though.

[STARWISE]

Also, see post #54

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1461755/posts?page=54#54

Hard to believe they were considered "U.S. persons."

[Southack]

"As federal agents pored over flight school student records across Florida, they questioned Saudi flight engineer Adnan Bukhari about two [9/11 hi-jackers] who lived next door to him in Vero Beach.

Neighbors said Amer Kamfar and Abdulrahman Alomari, both of whom were thought to have trained at Flight Safety Academy in Vero Beach, abruptly moved out earlier this month, The Associated Press reported."

Alomari, the neighbor of the 9/11/2000 pilot in this thread, made a videotaped will and "final testimony" statement in Kandahar, Afghanistan several months before his 9/11/2001 attack.

The tiniest blurb about his video is mentioned here: http://cgi.cnn.com/2003/US/09/12/hijack.tape/

[MindBender26]

The NTSB / FAA file has details. Remember, this was one accident. Two planes ran into each other. Happens all the time. Remember Ceritos, CA. Two A/C under positive radar control (as opposed to this visual only situation) one a 727 airliner, ran into each other. All dead.

Has the Islamic in this case wanted to make statement, he would have taken out a lot more people.

As for funding, they had to get funded sometime. Coincidences do not make a conspiracy (Sorry, Art Bell.)

Finally, if there is any worry this this accident report was cooked to deny a terrorist act re: 9/11/01, remember, this entire report was written long before 9/11/01.

Midairs between two GA aircraft? They happen all too frequently. Was at 3500 feet, enroute Tampa to Orlando about ten years ago. Some idiot in a Bonanza, at the wrong altitude, passed within 5 feet of us. We were in positive control airspace, but he blundered in, never talking to Approach or Departure Control.

It sounds like an old joke, but when I called Tampa Departure Control (radar) to complain, I was not kidding when I said it was a red and white Bonanza, flown by a white guy in blue shirt with a brown mustache. It was that close.

What saved us? Plain dumb luck.

[tutstar]

ping

[expatpat]

Your foaming-at-the-mouth verbiage betrays you. I was part of that famous thread on Rathergate, helping it unfold to expose the fraud. You were probably in your tinfoil hat, wasting your time chasing the most unlikely conspiracy theories.

[expatpat]

Come on, I have never claimed the broader issue is settled - just that the circumstances suggest that the crash is much more likely to have been and accident than a deliberate act. I think that there is a reasonable chance that the pilot was mixed up with a terrorist plot (as I indicated in an earlier post), but this was unlikely to be it.

[Walkingfeather]

Look at my original post, asking a question does not make me a nut, however you are the freak that wants do the "whack a mole" on anyone that doesnt think like you. NOW,go back to your crayons and warm milk, Leave the heavy thinking to others.

[Jim_Curtis]

Your argument seems to be that because there have been midair collisions that were accidents, this one too must be an accident despite all circumstantial evidence that could lead one to ponder the notion that it was deliberate.

You say these collisions "happen all the time" but Cerritos was the one that came to my mind and it is the one that came to your mind. The notion of deliberately crashing an airplane into another airplane might not have ever entered your mind or my mind as of the date 9/11/00, but it would not have been a foreign concept to a Saudi born Islamic Filipino jihadist pilot at that time.

I'd like to know more about this guy's Philippines connection such as when his flying permit was issued. Was he part of the Al Qaeda cell that was taken down there a few years prior to the incident? As you probably know, that cell had plans to fly airplanes into passenger jets and fly airplanes into the Pentagon.

Regarding your "close call"...If this guy had been the pilot of the airplane that almost collided with that airplane you were a passenger on, I would be suspicious of that incident also.

[Jim_Curtis]

You keep alternating between "tin foil theory" and "prudent to investigate the matter"

You asininely remarked "they cleared his bro' and dropped the case." concerning the FBI's investigation of the 9/11/00 incident. Now you believe it isn't settled and speak of some "broader issue" but the issue we were discussing excluded any "broader issue".

You are deliberately trying to bring confusion to the issue at hand. For what purpose, I don't know.

[MindBender26]

>all circumstantial evidence that could lead one to ponder the notion that it was deliberate.

I'm sorry, but what is that evidence that is not circular and also overwhelmed by other circumstantial and direct evidence to the contrary? ....

Yes he had a midair. Yes he was an Islamic, probably was associated with Atta and AQ and would have participated in WTC/DC attacks and had he not FUBARed and hit the Aztec.

Remember, 25 percent of US military fighter jocks do not survive from awarding of wings through to retirement. Accidents, wars, maintenance problems, etc. kill one in four. One in 20 Woggies is not a bad ratio, even for such a short time.

But with all that in mind, why the little dinky no publicity midair involving one other person? He screwed up. So did the Aztec pilot. Too bad more Woggies didn't!

[BlueNgold]

The relevance of this information is a question: Was this related.

Remember the '20th hijacker' - I apologize for forgetting his name (Mussoui?).
The timeline of this incident is curious as it may have been the event that precipitated his late arrival and the accelerated 'training' program that led to his arrest.
Regardless of the answer, the question needs to be asked.