Skip to comments.Man killed by Sunrise police in drug raid had 2 ounces of marijuana
Posted on 08/11/2005 1:12:44 PM PDT by freepatriot32
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One of the method is the compartmentalizing of the sale.
The distributors only keep a minimal amount at the actual point of sale, a secondary person couriers to point of sale when the supply runs low.
It is no different than a dealers standing on the street one holding the cash, the other holding the supply.
I STRONGLY suspect the family knew full well what is going on and the "outrage" is to foist a police brutality lawsuit.
That's also only one side of the story. Convenient that it happens to be the only side able to tell the story.
One of my friends, whom I visit often, keeps a stash at his home. He usually gets a quarter pound (FOUR OUNCES) to keep the transactions to a minimum, and retain a constant supply. He usually re-ups before one is gone, so sometime has some more...
He has a net worth with 8 figures, and the thought of dealing is ridiculous. His brother is one of the biggest named lawyers in the area... and many of his friends wear badges. He will share a bowl with you, but don't bother to ask to take a sample home!
Like so many things, in life, there are those who can, and those who can't!
Now you're talking about my territory. The entire local govenment of Sunrise is notorious for a spectrum ranging from totally incompetent for the non-uniformed desk jockies to wannabe Nazi storm troopers for the Sunrise P.D. If you're a color other than while or of an ethnic origin other than down-home deep south or NYC retired, you are considered fair game for the cross hairs of a SWAT rifle or the quick draw of a dumbass, dull normal who couldn't get a job with the county sheriff or Ft. Lauderdale P.D. If South Florida, Broward County is on your itnerary, avoid Sunrise.
And no contraband tobacco either.
"Well, considering he was a drug dealer felon, yep he gave up his rights."
Maybe you should review the Constitution. That was one of the dumbest comments I have read on FR.
I wasn't trying to defend the guy's actions, I was merely stating what *I* would do.
This next isn't directed at you, it's a general comment on the thread:
Let's say the cops had intel saying that this guy was dealing a boatload of drugs out of his house. I think that's a fair assumption since the cops generally don't do predawn raids over a couple lousy ounces of pot. We all know that where there are drugs, there are a) guns and b) money.
So, the cops make the decision to raid as opposed to picking him up off the street. Personally, I'd have rather gotten him on the street - less dangerous to all involved. So, the cops raid the guy's house, and he goes for a gun. He gets shot.
In light of what the cops found, vs. what they expected to find, it was a damn shame that he got killed. However (and keep in mind, we don't know what the cops actually expected to find), the raid itself may have been justified based on what they thought would be there. To borrow a phrase from the war, it was an intelligence failure. He was probably dealing - not many 20 somethings just happen to have baggies and postage meters unless they're dealing. He didn't get killed over two stinkin' ounces of dope - he got killed because he went for a gun.
Well I gave it up a few years ago... but know a few people that still probably go through about 4oz every couple of weeks... (and for the record very productive members of society, all of which have held the same job for at least 10 years) just checked with somebody in the know and they said they are paying about $180 for that amount when bought bulk currently...
"civilized behavior," that is a foreign concept to Sunrise P.D.
"2 ounces is a LOT of pot."
Not really. I've known a number of pot heads over the years. The ones with steady incomes usually bought a quarter pound (4 ounces)at a time because it was cheaper that way.
Two ounces isn't so much that it couldn't reasonably be for personal use. It will fit in two sandwhich baggies.
However, it sound like from the article, that the police has staged a drug buy from the house prior to getting the warrant. So it's kind of a moot point.
Oh all the pesky little things that they could potentially kill you for. Must make them all giddy inside.
"FWIW, 2 oz of pot is a bit much for personal consumption..."
Not really, It's the functional equivalent of something like 5-6 cases of beer, not a liquor store.
Uhhh, nothin' personal, but the 2nd Amendment doesn't mention God. In fact, God's name isn't mentioned anywhere in the Constitution.
since there is a problem with drug dealer turf wars, for all the swat team knew he was acting as if it was another drug gang there to eliminate competition.
Drug dealers do not live in a squeeky clean sanitary legal world. It is a bloody ugly environment.
Even with the intentional omissions of the article, it seems the police acted more than correctly under any standard.
picking up a suspect on the street would be too easy. If they did that, they couldn't justify all the neat toys and training they get to buy with taxpayer funds!
May they reap what they have sown.
Is that what you really think this is? Do you really think there is ~ANY~ reasonable comparison between this great country and Nazi government?
The man was a felon, like it or not, and he reached for a gun when raided by the police. Most people call that suicidal, not heroic.
Dollars to donuts this guy was dealing, which is why there was a warrant involved. Some punk got busted for carrying and turned over his dealer. The judge rubberstamps a warrant (or an assistant does it for him), and off go the cops. That's the system, and I believe in the system.
His invitation to trouble was engaging in illegal, not criminal, activity that involved too many other people. It probably wasn't for personal use. Perhaps he was splitting it with a buddy, or probably doling out eighths and quarters for a lot of "buddies". It's a dumbass thing to do, and easy to pick the wrong people to deal with.
That amount wouldn't carry Nate Newton past Brunch.
To a libertarian, dying for your stash is the ultimate of heroics. It's a lot like how al qaeda thinks of their martyrs.
"We grieve for our officers, too. Taking a human life isn't easy to do,""
I sure the mother will find comfort knowing that killing her son wasn't "easy to do". I hope the officers are telling the truth, but after reading the statements from the neighbors, their story sounds fishy.
What, like jaywalking? Changing lanes without a signal? Knocking is fine by me. Early morning SWAT raid over 2 ounces of weed ending in a fatality is more police state than police work. It would not have taken much effort to cause a far more palatable outcome.
What you say may be true, but we don't know that. We've also heard that the guy worked two jobs, which is not usual for a dedicated pot dealer. It also doesn't make sense to me that this guy, if he knew that it was the cops coming in, would go for a handgun over a couple of ounces of pot - what good could come of it for him? Adding a couple attempted murder, resisting arrest, etc charges to whatever posession of a couple of oz of pot was going to cost him.
I still believe that no-knock raids like this are overly dangerous to all involved when the only crime involved is drug dealing. Civilians, sometimes innocent, and cops are getting killed just to prevent someone from flushing a bit of some substance down the toilet before the cops can get in.
We are getting there by inches. Even the Weimar Republic didn't die over night. Is that a good thing in your book? That we "aren't quit there yet so things are peachy"?
Sooo, what have I been saved from here, Public Servant?
The WOD is just busy work, to keep enough JBT's on staff to keep the gov. (of the people, by the people etc.) in control of people that actually think they ought to be able to live as free persons.
We can't actually have people really thinking they are free can we?
"He was probably dealing - not many 20 somethings just happen to have baggies and postage meters unless they're dealing. He didn't get killed over two stinkin' ounces of dope - he got killed because he went for a gun."
I agree. However, I wonder why they thought "Special Weapons And Tactics" were necessary. Because he had a CCW?
Nope, because then they might stand up for their rights, and we can't have that.
I agree with you there. I'm a federal LEO and I bitch constantly about my agency (and other Fed agencies) wasting taxpayer dollars on stuff they don't need.
Are you an idiot, or do you just play one on FreeRepublic? I guess that also means that you think all black guys dance good, and if you want to carry a hockey stick, you must be Canadian.
You do sound like a typical LEO, though. Shoot first, sort it all out later. Heaven forbid, even considering that the LEO's could make a mistake...
To borrow a phrase from the war, it was an intelligence failure.
Yep, but it seems to be coming from your direction. My oldest son is a SWAT officer, and has done no knocks. He leads the group, now, and I do not believe he would make this same error. They rely on facts...
It's better to be in prison unjustly than get killed for making the supreme mistake of grabbing a gun when you are being arrested.
So you think that 2 oz of MJ deserves the death penalty by cops by being shot ten times?
People voted Hitler into office. What is your point?
I don't know. I just found out from reading the thread that they'd done a controlled buy from the guy (so now we definitely know he was dealing.) Maybe he'd bragged about "I'll shoot the cops if they ever come for me" or some such. Who knows?
Maybe they wanted to try out a new tactic (maybe some new room clearing technique or something like that) in what they thought would be a *low* threat raid. Who knows?
Like I said earlier, I think I would've been more tempted to snag him in the parking lot right as he left work, but that's just me.
Utter stupidity, incompetence, and lack of investigation by lazy-ass showboating SWAT team. Perhaps they were facing budget cuts and needed to put on a show.
The police should be going after real drug dealers. Not kids living with mom, selling nickle bags to friends. I think the cops are too chicken shit to go after the big drug dealers selling meth, crack, coke and heroin
Who says he went for aa gun? the cop. Something isn't right here with police standing there pointing guns at him he went running to the bedroom to get a gun,yeah right.
I like how you can just make up a "he deserved it" justification out of your imagination. The other story on the incident says that he'd never been arrested, and the undisputed fact that he had a valid Florida CCW permit would seem to point to the fact that he had a clean record.
This has gotten a lot of radio attention down here.