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Able Danger, 9-11 Report, Gorelick, and so much more...
various FR links & stories | 08-12-05 | the heavy equipment guy

Posted on 08/12/2005 12:19:36 PM PDT by backhoe

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To: Southack
"Moreover, with the elections over, this can't be spun as a partisan stunt so easily. The Radical Left is very boxed in right now. They've made many crucial errors, and say what you will about the GOP, but the GOP is well-positioned to clean house."

As long as we can really, finally get a thorough investigation and house-cleaning now, I'll be willing to understand that 'maybe' this is the best time for it all to come out: the 9/11 Commission would have broken down in complete deadlock because the 'Rats like Gorelick would have stymied any real investigation. Now is our time, but how much info has been relegated to the Orwellian "memory hole" (permanent non-existence)???

We do need an exhaustive investigation with unlimited subpoena powers -- drag the Clintonlites before a hearing, under oath, and see what they each say under penalty of perjury.....
81 posted on 08/12/2005 5:03:34 PM PDT by Enchante (Kerry's mere nuisances: Marine Barracks '83, WTC '93, Khobar Towers, Embassy Bombs '98, USS Cole!!!)
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To: Stellar Dendrite

I, too, have a feeling something is not right. Michael Savage started his show raving about this story, and then after the first break, the rest of his show consisted of "encores" from previous shows.


82 posted on 08/12/2005 5:04:22 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (Stop the ACLU - Support the Public Expression of Religion Act 2005 - Call your congressmen.)
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To: ViLaLuz

Are you sure? I listened to it both nights and he was just re-playing the clips of Weldon's call from the previous night.


83 posted on 08/12/2005 5:06:00 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (The presence of "peace" is the absence of opposition to socialism -- Marx)
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“The 9/11 9/11 Commission” (Not a Misprint)

84 posted on 08/12/2005 5:06:05 PM PDT by backhoe (Just an old Keyboard Cowboy, ridin' the trakball into the Dawn of Information...)
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To: Southack

if someone doesn't push back harder on this, it will be swept under the rug.


85 posted on 08/12/2005 5:10:25 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: backhoe

86 posted on 08/12/2005 5:10:58 PM PDT by petercooper (Mark Levin for Supreme Court Justice.)
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To: Southack
"There is also a Home Front, and we are fighting this war here."

Profoundly true, but national Republicans, are acting just like the CAGOP and seem to be fighting with half their brains tied behing their backs so they won't look too partasian, or conservative... like they should be embarrassed about that in view of the frantic freak-outs by the other side.

It's so danged frustrating to see defeat snatched from the jaws of victory, time after time after time after time...

87 posted on 08/12/2005 5:13:03 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Iraq! Our exit strategy is... VICTORY!!!)
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To: Southack

Thanks for this!


88 posted on 08/12/2005 5:13:11 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: SierraWasp

indeed.

the only way this goes anywhere, is if someone outside the DC "club", who has some national prominence regarding 9/11, goes public on this issue and calls for investigations. I wish Rudy Giuliani would do that.


89 posted on 08/12/2005 5:15:17 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: Enchante

Thanks!


90 posted on 08/12/2005 5:17:35 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: oceanview; Grampa Dave; Dog Gone; Southack

So do I and he needs something to reconstruct his credibility after that faux paux of an appointment to Homeland Security Chief!!! This could do it for him... BIGTIME! (I like saying "BIGTIME" because that's what Cheney said once about Clymer!!!)


91 posted on 08/12/2005 5:20:07 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Iraq! Our exit strategy is... VICTORY!!!)
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To: backhoe

Dude, you rock, as most FReepers do.


92 posted on 08/12/2005 5:21:06 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: Enchante
Thanks for the ping.

We have all this info, now we have to get it out there! The MSM isn't going to do it, but the American people need to know this.

93 posted on 08/12/2005 5:30:54 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: ViLaLuz

Oh wow you are right. Sorry, i thought you were talking about last night's show. He just came on here (delayed), and they say it's "an encore presentation"....>WTF?


94 posted on 08/12/2005 5:38:23 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (The presence of "peace" is the absence of opposition to socialism -- Marx)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

"Dude, you rock, as most FReepers do."

Oh stop it, you're making me blush!
;)


95 posted on 08/12/2005 5:41:47 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (The presence of "peace" is the absence of opposition to socialism -- Marx)
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To: NonValueAdded

That may be true .. but I don't think many democrats are very comfortable on a conservative site. Let him get his initial info from Rush .. let him keep listening to Rush and eventually he will hear about Free Republic. It's okay .. as long as he's getting the truth that's all that matters.


96 posted on 08/12/2005 6:47:26 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: Southack
This is all treason.

Sorry Hack, but there is no such thing anymore.

97 posted on 08/12/2005 6:58:52 PM PDT by Bommer
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To: backhoe

And now for a very interesting hyposthesis that would tie together some issues about Atta's activities in the months before 9/11:


http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/

One More Look At Prague

My last post reviews a rather obscure report on the discovery of an Iraqi spy ring in Germany in February or March of 2001, resulting in the capture of two Iraqi Intelligence Services agents. The Arabic newspaper that reported it in March 2001 also reported that the CIA tipped the Germans to the Iraqi operation and that the FBI and CIA interrogated the two captured spies. I looked around for any reporting on this story in the American or British mainstream media (anything in English), even in Nexis, and came up empty.

This story may not pan out. However, it apparently has never been denied, and if it is true, one would have expected the CIA and FBI to bring this to the attention of the 9/11 Commission -- or at least the existence of the report itself. The 9/11 report makes no mention of this development at all.

I explained in the last post how this could change the notion that Iraq had no operational involvement in 9/11, as the main effort of the Hamburg cell at that time was supporting Atta for the upcoming attacks. Instead, let's take a look at the effect this would have had on Atta and his ability to get the logistical support he needed from his cell in Germany, now apparently compromised. After all, Mohammed Atta still had to get sixteen terrorists safely into the US using the Hamburg cell as his line of communication to the AQ network at the time of the purported trip to Prague.

Until Atta could make a new connection to AQ in Europe, he could not travel or communicate back to Germany. To do so would be an unpalatable risk to his cover. Instead, Atta would need to go somewhere that could give him new logistical support and rebuild his lines of communication. When the time came to go to the well again, Atta had to carefully relink to the network.

How does Atta reconnect to his support? With the operation compromised, he won't feel safe with either going back to Germany or traveling under his own name until he knows how badly the operations have been disrupted. Instead, he uses a safe cover -- one he likely would use only once -- to make his way to another station to re-establish his logistical support. Prague would be close enough to the situation for others in the network to have assessed the damage done by the Germans and to decide whether to abort the mission altogether.

Again, if the Al-Watan Al-Arabi reports turn out to be correct, this would explain why Atta felt the need to travel under an assumed identity, and why he went to Prague rather than Hamburg to meet with Iraqi agents. That meeting would be necessary for Atta to determine if he and his team should continue to make plans and whether to bring in the "muscle" hijackers, which happened a short while afterwards. If the Germans had found out about their operation and discovered his identity, then sending the other hijackers to the US could have meant walking into a trap.

This would explain why Atta changed his usual routine and traveled under an assumed identity. After reconnecting to the network and getting assurances that the network was secure, he could use his real identity on his next trip.

Does any of this constitute proof? No. But the evidence we see this far fits this theory, and if the Al-Watan Al-Arabi report is true, the 9/11 report doesn't. We need to start rethinking this from the beginning, dump the preconceived notions, and gather all of the evidence together to understand what really happened to us on 9/11.

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98 posted on 08/12/2005 7:06:31 PM PDT by Enchante (Kerry's mere nuisances: Marine Barracks '83, WTC '93, Khobar Towers, Embassy Bombs '98, USS Cole!!!)
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To: backhoe

Gorelick Gate ping for later


99 posted on 08/12/2005 7:09:18 PM PDT by No2much3
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To: Southack
Right on to your post #65!!!! Thank God for W, Porter Goss, Condi and Negroponte. I think and I PRAY we have half a chance of the tenured filth being fumigated from the bowels of these agencies.

If WE can dig around and find and know the tip of the iceberg of all this diabolical and incestuous RAT conspiracy, imagine what W and the security team know and all the black filth we DON'T even know. If somebody in this admin. or the Justice Dept. doesn't start revealing and laying bare all this evil, I'm gonna scream!!!! The disgusting thing is the MSM and the RATS are going to go nuclear and scorched earth to to discredit and obstruct EVERYTHING this admin. tries to do to SAVE OUR COUNTRY. It is devastating to ponder .. truly.

100 posted on 08/12/2005 7:44:34 PM PDT by STARWISE (CURB POLLUTION; SAVE ENERGY: Show a lie-detection meter for every Democrat interview.)
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