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Push on to loosen handgun law in Allegany County (NY)
The Times Herald ^ | 08/08/2005 | DANIEL LEBLANC

Posted on 08/12/2005 4:03:55 PM PDT by neverdem

Allegany County’s procedures for purchasing and registering a handgun were brought into question this past week during a Public Safety Committee meeting. Legislator Brent Reynolds, R-Alfred Station, brought up the issue of buying a handgun in the county and questioned whether the laws could be loosened to allow law-abiding gun owners to more easily purchase a handgun. Other counties, such as Livingston County, do not require gun owners to first register a gun before taking it home, Mr. Reynolds said.

Under current laws, a person who has a gun permit in Allegany County has to register a handgun with the Allegany County Sheriff’s Department before possessing a handgun. For instance, if someone goes to a gun store and purchases a handgun, that individual has to first take the receipt and gun information to the pistol permit clerk to register the handgun and have it listed on his or her handgun permit. Then that person can take the gun home.

“You can’t leave with a gun until you lawfully register it,” said Undersheriff Denis Reynolds in a recent interview.

Legislator Reynolds said he “didn’t see where safety was an issue. Law-abiding citizens should be able to own handguns without a lot of hassle.”

Undersheriff Reynolds said he was opposed to changing the laws to loosen procedures on handgun ownership. “The laws are in place to protect everyone. The rules that are in place are good rules,” he said.

Legislator Reynolds said that he first brought up the issue at the meeting because some of his constituents had contacted him and questioned how the procedures could be made convenient for handgun owners.

“Several people called me and said they were supportive of a change,” he said. “If I thought the current laws would make it safer, I wouldn’t even bring up the issue.”

Mr. Reynolds said he would investigate the issue more before deciding whether he would propose making any changes.

Gary Lloyd of Alma said Saturday that he would like to see changes to the law because of the inconvenience of registering a handgun before taking possession.

For a person to buy a handgun, go to Belmont and register the handgun, and then go back and pick it up creates a hassle, he said.

“I don’t see where it is necessary,” he said. Arnold “Arnie” Johnson of Canaseraga said he was in favor of changing the gun laws in the county.

“You can’t go to a gun show, buy a pistol and take it home,” he said.

He added that it would be easier for an individual if gun sellers were required to send the information to the Sheriff’s Department, rather than the individual presenting the information himself.

“This should be solved very easily if you’ve got a legal (handgun) permit,” he said. “It shouldn’t be difficult to buy a pistol. Most law-abiding citizens want to be law-abiding, but this law makes it difficult.” Wellsville gun dealer Andy Bastian said handgun laws are a lot looser in other states. He had previously sold guns in Ohio before starting up the USA Gun Sales store next to the Wellsville Airport.

“I’m all for making people’s lives easier,” he said. “It’s difficult for the working man to take a day off to go to the Sheriff’s Department” to register a handgun, he said.

He added that the gun laws put extra pressure on gun dealers.

“It’s the dealer’s responsibility to make sure someone gets a handgun registered,” he said. “I don’t want my license jeopardized. My license is on the line every time a gun leaves my building.”

According to Undersheriff Reynolds, the laws are in place to ensure that handgun owners first register their handguns before taking them home. He said the same applies for purchasing a handgun from an individual. “Whether it is a private sale or in a store, the seller has to know someone can legally possess a handgun,” he said.

If a private individual sells a handgun to another person and that person does not register the handgun, then the seller could be liable, he said.

If a person has an unregistered handgun in their home, then there is a procedure that has to be followed in order to not be charged with unlawful criminal possession of a weapon, he said.

Under the federal amnesty law, an individual must first contact their local law enforcement agency and tell them that they are surrendering an unregistered handgun. Once the handgun is surrendered, the law enforcement agency inquires about the origin of the handgun, Undersheriff Reynolds said.

If the handgun is determined to be a nuisance based on its history, it could be destroyed. If the gun’s history is clear, then the person surrendering the handgun would have the option of registering it. Even when a person changes residency to another county within New York, the handgun must be re-registered in the new county.

“This program protects people from unlawful criminal possession of a weapon,” he said. “The purpose is to encourage the removal of unlawful weapons.”

“There are illegal handguns in Allegany County,” Undersheriff Reynolds said.

County officials have not yet made any proposal to make changes to the law.


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1 posted on 08/12/2005 4:03:56 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
"Under the federal amnesty law, an individual must first contact their local law enforcement agency and tell them that they are surrendering an unregistered handgun. "

A little propaganda from the Times-Herald ?

2 posted on 08/12/2005 4:10:33 PM PDT by gatex (NRA, JPFO and Gun Owners of America)
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To: neverdem
“This program protects people from unlawful criminal possession of a weapon,”

HA HA HA< HO HO HO TEE HE HE CHORTLE CHORTLE SNORT! How did someone this naive get to be sheriff?

3 posted on 08/12/2005 4:25:29 PM PDT by metalurgist (Death to the democrats! They're almost the same as communists, they just move a little slower.)
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To: neverdem
“This program protects people from unlawful criminal possession of a weapon,”

HA HA HA< HO HO HO TEE HE HE CHORTLE CHORTLE SNORT! How did someone this naive get to be sheriff?

4 posted on 08/12/2005 4:25:41 PM PDT by metalurgist (Death to the democrats! They're almost the same as communists, they just move a little slower.)
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To: neverdem
These laws are working just fine for their intended purpose.
5 posted on 08/12/2005 4:28:46 PM PDT by umgud (Comment removed by poster before moderator could get to it)
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To: neverdem

"“There are illegal handguns in Allegany County,” Undersheriff Reynolds said".



The problem is that there are unconstitutional sheriffs in Allegany County. How "illegal" can you get?


6 posted on 08/12/2005 4:32:53 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (LET ME DIE ON MY FEET IN MY SWAMP, ALEX KOZINSKI FOR SCOTUS)
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To: gatex; El Gato; Travis McGee; Squantos; Joe Brower
"Federal amnesty law" caught my attention too. Maybe it's a provision of the 1986 Firearms Owners Protection Act. While looking for the correct title, I came across this NRA-ILA piece about the foolery in California concerning Bullet Serialization and Ammunition registration. It's an interesting read.
7 posted on 08/12/2005 4:56:58 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem
Image hosted by Photobucket.com in NY, along with your PistolPermit, a "Purchase Permit" is required to buy or sell a pistol to either a dealer or individual.

our county(thank God) lets you have up to two purchase permits at a time so you can buy something at a gun show while you are there and then put it on your license on monday.

the judge to the south us in Chemung county won't even issue Concealed Carry Permits... he doesn't believe in them and doesn't care what the state law says!!!

that's bs.

8 posted on 08/12/2005 5:51:08 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist )
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To: neverdem
“You can’t leave with a gun until you lawfully register it,” said Undersheriff Denis Reynolds in a recent interview.

"Lawfully registered" guns are a contradiction in terms, in a country with a right to keep and bear arms. Registration is illegal, because registration abrogates the right, turning it into a privilege.

"No state shall convert a liberty into a privelege; license it, and attach a fee to it." Murdoch v. Penn., 318 U.S. 105

9 posted on 08/12/2005 5:57:50 PM PDT by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: neverdem
I do believe it is a felony in New York to possessed an unregistered handgun.

In this state the Second Amendment is about gone.

10 posted on 08/12/2005 11:28:42 PM PDT by 2nd_Amendment_Defender ("It is when people forget God that tyrants forge their chains." -- Patrick Henry)
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To: 2nd_Amendment_Defender; cyborg; Clemenza; Cacique; NYCVirago; The Mayor; Darksheare; ...
In this state the Second Amendment is about gone.

Thanks for the reminder. FReepmail me if you want on or off my New York ping list.

11 posted on 08/12/2005 11:48:25 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: coloradan

Thank you for the citation. Bookmarked!


12 posted on 08/12/2005 11:50:01 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem
If the handgun is determined to be a nuisance based on its history

I hate those guns that aim themselves at robbery victims. Melt them down.

13 posted on 08/12/2005 11:51:00 PM PDT by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: The Red Zone
I hate those guns that aim themselves at robbery victims. Melt them down.

Why? A tool is a tool. Plenty of firearms have been resold by law enforcement agencies because they needed cash to buy new weapons. Guns don't kill people. People do.

14 posted on 08/12/2005 11:59:13 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

That's a JOKE, son, I say, I say, a JOKE. /foghornleghorn


15 posted on 08/13/2005 12:00:25 AM PDT by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: The Red Zone

That's what I get from speed reading. I only caught, "melt them down". LOL!


16 posted on 08/13/2005 12:12:56 AM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem
"...Bullet serialization...."

Learn the rules and beat them at their own game ---

Demand that California put serial numbers on everything --since it is "so cheap",-- to stop theft, counterfeiting and littering.

Also, demand that Congress use the Interstate Commerce Clause to "infringe" violence, etc, in Hollywood movies.

17 posted on 08/13/2005 2:08:52 PM PDT by gatex (NRA, JPFO and Gun Owners of America)
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To: coloradan
The problem is that liberal judges believe the right to bear arms is a collective right held through the national guard and armed forces, not an individual right. Of course that's not what it says in the second ammendment, but liberal judges believe they have poetic license to re-write the constitution. After all we need to modernize the old document to keep with the times.



18 posted on 08/13/2005 7:21:13 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: metalurgist

What has always bothered me about nys gun laws is they never tell you that most crimes and that means 95% that are commited by a person with a hand gun do not have a pistol permit or the gun registered. So what to do about that say the ignorant politicians in nys and i mean all of them 100% Make it harder on the law abiding citizens of this washed up state TO PURCHASE A GUN! I say Impeach all of the BASTARDS lets start a new!


19 posted on 05/31/2012 3:34:39 PM PDT by maryalice12345
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