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Fewer kids, more immigration would strengthen U.S. (Shocking - honestly)
The Noblesville Ledger ^ | August 12, 2005 | Morton Marcus

Posted on 08/12/2005 7:06:43 PM PDT by Scythian

Posted 1:53 AM August 12, 2005
Morton Marcus column: Fewer kids, more immigration would strengthen U.S.
Society should invest in one or other to improve nation, guard resources.
 
By Morton Marcus
August 12, 2005
 

Morton Marcus
 
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This column may seem harsh to some readers; don't say you were not warned.

Could we reduce some of the major costs in our society if we had fewer children and more immigration from abroad? Think about it. Children, particularly those 15 to 19 years of age, are a major disruptive and expensive aspect of our nation. They establish behaviors that lead to lifelong misery for themselves and expenses for the rest of us.

Teens get into all sorts of costly trouble. They lead police on dangerous chases because they will not obey the law. Even when not evading the police, they are a threat to others on the road. They waste our resources by not applying themselves to their studies. Their tastes in clothing, music, movies and TV degrade our cultural standards.

Younger children offer moments of sweetness along with enormous expense in time, energy and resources. Yes, babies are cute, but they probably cause as much emotional anguish as they do joy. Children are insatiable consumers. Our efforts to please them involve vast expenditures on cereals, toys, games and clothes that contribute little to their or our long-term satisfaction or well-being.

There is an alternative to this squandering of our national resources. Encourage Americans to have fewer children and to develop policies of immigration that enhance our national well-being.

First, we would remove the token subsidies now given for parenthood. This means the income-tax exemptions for children would be deleted. Subsidies for child care would be eliminated. Even the current inadequate additions to welfare assistance for children would be dropped.

Second, health insurance would not cover pregnancy. Just as many believe that insurance should not cover medication for erectile dysfunction because it is a lifestyle problem, so too is pregnancy a lifestyle choice. Perhaps abortion or adoption of the child should be forced on any unmarried woman under age 21. Clearly, parental leave would be revoked.

In place of adding to our population with children we produce, we would import college-age adults. Specifically, careful recruitment by universities would bring the most talented and energetic English-speaking students from abroad to study in the United States. If their performance here is acceptable, they would be eligible for citizenship. Their initiative, inventiveness and income would help American businesses and contribute to Social Security. We would be putting our money where it would pay off better than in diapers.

Sentimentalists will oppose this rational solution to strengthening our nation's future. They will argue that it is against family values. But America is not built on families; its building block is the individual. We are a people who characteristically left their families behind and ventured out to somewhere else. Our heroes are celebrated as single persons, not as family members.

Of course, if we do not like this scenario, we could opt to invest in our children. We could consciously and deliberately turn them from liabilities into assets. This means changing how we spend money on young children and reducing the amount of discretionary funds teens have.

Foremost, an investment policy means a new approach to raising children. Our concern should be not just custodial care for the child nor merely satisfying the parents' desires. We would need to recognize that child rearing is an essential societal function.

Immediately, liberals and conservatives bristle at that last sentence. Both fear that government will impose its values on children and that parental control will be lost. The only difference between the liberals and conservatives is which set of values will be imposed by government.

However, as a society we are in agreement already on many aspects of good behavior. If we focused childhood (preschool) education on cooperation, self-control, respect for the rights of others, cleanliness, safety, plus appropriate speech and grammar, parents would not object. Unbending liberals and conservatives will continue to fry in their own juices, but our children would be more valuable to America.

Yes, with sufficient, appropriate child care and early education, we might have young children prepared to learn in school and teens who would not be a danger to themselves and our society.

Indiana economist Morton Marcus has studied and written about the Indiana economy for more than 30 years, during and after his long association with Indiana University. He lives on the north side of Indianapolis and can be reached by e-mail at morton_marcus@yahoo.com


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I guess in fairness he warned us ... sheeze
1 posted on 08/12/2005 7:06:43 PM PDT by Scythian
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To: Scythian

corporate talking points.


2 posted on 08/12/2005 7:07:50 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Scythian

I don't even think words can describe how lousy this piece of tripe truly is.


3 posted on 08/12/2005 7:09:56 PM PDT by AzaleaCity5691 (The enemy lies in the heart of Gadsden)
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To: Scythian

Is this guy trying to be funny or is he just so absurd that he seems funny?


4 posted on 08/12/2005 7:10:23 PM PDT by cripplecreek (If you must obey your party, may your chains rest lightly upon your shoulders.)
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To: Scythian

Trade in my kids for a Mexican? Might not be a bad idea, at least the yard will get cut.


5 posted on 08/12/2005 7:11:44 PM PDT by txroadhawg (Don't believe any statistics unless you made them up yourself)
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To: Scythian

What a load of crap. Fewer immigrants (ilegal, at least) and more home-grown kids would help us out. Of course, that would ratify the nuclear family, a concept that is all but lost in contemporary American society.


6 posted on 08/12/2005 7:11:44 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN - 3rd Bn. Fifth Marines RVN 1969)
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To: Scythian

I can think of several countries trying more immigration/few children strategies...we see how well it's working there!


7 posted on 08/12/2005 7:12:13 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Scythian

Unlike some, I read the entire article.


8 posted on 08/12/2005 7:12:14 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: cripplecreek

He is quite serious. You see, he's actually saying what he believes unlike most of the libs who are afraid to say it. Shocking it is nonetheless.


9 posted on 08/12/2005 7:12:17 PM PDT by Scythian
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To: Scythian
Wonder if this educator idiot has ever had kids or a grandkid to an unwed daughter. We would be better off without him than we would be without children.
10 posted on 08/12/2005 7:12:32 PM PDT by Hawk1976 (Tyrants move in one piece at a time.)
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To: Graybeard58
Unlike some, I read the entire article.

Good, so did I. The thing that kills is that he thinks a bunch of Mexican families are going to move here and not have any children? Hello, is anybody in there. Do immigrants have children, or is it he doesn't like American baseball, chevrolet, and hotdog children?
11 posted on 08/12/2005 7:14:27 PM PDT by Scythian
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To: Graybeard58

I read the entire peace, and basically what this guy is saying that, for the good of America, the government needs to involve itself more in the way children are raised, at least, that's the inference I gleam from it.


12 posted on 08/12/2005 7:14:31 PM PDT by AzaleaCity5691 (The enemy lies in the heart of Gadsden)
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To: AzaleaCity5691

Piece, not Peace


13 posted on 08/12/2005 7:15:09 PM PDT by AzaleaCity5691 (The enemy lies in the heart of Gadsden)
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To: Scythian
Silly, silly man.

Just proves booklarnin' don't make ye smart.

14 posted on 08/12/2005 7:15:14 PM PDT by atomicpossum (Replies should be as pedantic as possible. I love that so much.)
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To: Hawk1976

This dude needs to be aborted.


15 posted on 08/12/2005 7:15:41 PM PDT by 05 Mustang GT Rocks
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To: Scythian
What a pompus ass! I have three daughters in the age group he describes as "a major disruptive and expensive aspect of our nation. They establish behaviors that lead to lifelong misery for themselves and expenses for the rest of us."

They are sweet, kind and courteous. They are all working, involved in school and community service. What little help they are getting from the taxpayers in schooling is more than off-set by what I pay in taxes now and what they are paying and will pay over a lifetime.

Even though I may think they are the most wonderful kids in the nation who give me and all who know them a great deal of pleasure and satisfaction, if I look at it objectively, they are not so exceptional. They have peers who are (almost) as sweet, nice and ambitious.

16 posted on 08/12/2005 7:16:00 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (crime would drop like a sprung trapdoor if we brought back good old-fashioned hangings)
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Could we reduce some of the major costs in our society if we had fewer children and more immigration from abroad?

It's worked so well for Europe. Why not give it a try? /sarcasm of course

17 posted on 08/12/2005 7:16:01 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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To: Scythian

I read the article and saw his picture. I think old, ugly, fat men are more a cost/drag on our society. I vote to keep the kids and shoot all the old, fat, ugly people.


18 posted on 08/12/2005 7:16:03 PM PDT by caisson71
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To: Scythian

This is a rather clumsy parody. Having said that, the most patriotic and selfless thing adults can do is spend the big bucks to procreate and intelligently raise their issue into productive citizens to replace those that have gone before. And that is a fact. I admire those that choose to be parents, and wise and attentive ones, very much indeed. I really cannot think of a more enobling task off hand.


19 posted on 08/12/2005 7:16:04 PM PDT by Torie
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To: AzaleaCity5691

No kidding, TRIPE.


20 posted on 08/12/2005 7:16:29 PM PDT by bboop
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

Yeh, let's look at FRANCE. Real nice situation there, importing people, no babies. What a dolt.


21 posted on 08/12/2005 7:17:17 PM PDT by bboop
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To: Scythian

Take away their welfare benefits, their right to put children in the public schools, their right to use the hospitals, and require them to pay taxes like the rest of us, and I might agree that it's close.


22 posted on 08/12/2005 7:17:19 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Scythian

I'm hoping this is just a 21st century update of Swift's Modest Proposal, but I doubt it.


I sure hope this guy doesn't have children, because they're ruined if he does, poor kids.


23 posted on 08/12/2005 7:17:57 PM PDT by kalee
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To: caisson71

He looks like Al Franken with a rather large fat suit!


24 posted on 08/12/2005 7:18:29 PM PDT by CarlEOlsoniii (McCarthy goes after Communists with a shotgun; I go after them with a rifle -Nixon)
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To: bboop

And the Netherlands, and Germany...and so on and so forth...


25 posted on 08/12/2005 7:18:32 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Scythian

He doesn't like children, huh?


26 posted on 08/12/2005 7:19:55 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Scythian

On the link, it gives his email address

I hope I won't be the only one giving this man a piece of my mind!


27 posted on 08/12/2005 7:20:00 PM PDT by CarlEOlsoniii (McCarthy goes after Communists with a shotgun; I go after them with a rifle -Nixon)
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What is he going to do, import eunichs? Immigrants have far higher birthrates than native born Americans.


28 posted on 08/12/2005 7:20:11 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: Hugin

It's a parody folks.


29 posted on 08/12/2005 7:20:54 PM PDT by Torie
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It's a parody folks.

I don't think so actually, I hope so, but don't think so.
30 posted on 08/12/2005 7:22:52 PM PDT by Scythian
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To: Torie
It's a parody folks.

Yep. And a good one.

31 posted on 08/12/2005 7:23:08 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s......you weren't really there.)
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To: Torie

Its in an editorial with a bunch of straight-faced columns on standard small town issues, so I don't think it is one


32 posted on 08/12/2005 7:24:39 PM PDT by CarlEOlsoniii (McCarthy goes after Communists with a shotgun; I go after them with a rifle -Nixon)
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"And you dang kids keep your ball off'n my yard!
I'm a college professor, you know!
My Mexican gardner's gonna
keep his eye on you!

Watch out for the azaleas, will you, Pedro?"
33 posted on 08/12/2005 7:24:42 PM PDT by atomicpossum (Replies should be as pedantic as possible. I love that so much.)
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To: Scythian
I dunno... I'll meet him half way -- fewer kids would be a good thing.

Or at least require parenting classes for all would be parents... kids today are just one notch above domesticated animal in the best of cases.
34 posted on 08/12/2005 7:25:49 PM PDT by birbear (Admit it. you clicked on the "I have already previewed" button without actually previewing the post.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Maybe he got an advanced copy of Hillary's Inauguration Speech?


35 posted on 08/12/2005 7:25:54 PM PDT by Scythian
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However, as a society we are in agreement already on many aspects of good behavior. If we focused childhood (preschool) education on cooperation, self-control, respect for the rights of others, cleanliness, safety, plus appropriate speech and grammar, parents would not object.

Apparently he has forgotten the one thing that would give him any credibility at all...Hard work! Think about what a 15-20 year old was doing 50, 60 years ago. probably not playing organized soccer and getting ready for party town campus to find themselves. They were probably learning a productive trade.

His argument is asking US to commit suicide. Conservatives need to have larger families liberals need to take his advice.

36 posted on 08/12/2005 7:26:56 PM PDT by Archon of the East ("universal executive power of the law of nature")
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To: Scythian

Of course, he is being sarcastic.
We need to get involved in our children's lives and mold them to become good citizens.


37 posted on 08/12/2005 7:27:33 PM PDT by Fishing-guy
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"This means changing how we spend money on young children and reducing the amount of discretionary funds teens have."

He needed to develop that little statement a little more, I think....

38 posted on 08/12/2005 7:27:58 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Our military......the world's HEROES!)
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Funny ha ha. Not funny nauseating.
39 posted on 08/12/2005 7:29:25 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s......you weren't really there.)
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What?

Allowing the abortion of 40 million future citizens over the last 30 plus years isn't enough "progress" for the cabal thats seeks to destroy this nation thru any means possible?

Thanks for the post.


40 posted on 08/12/2005 7:29:48 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... "To remain silent when they should protest makes cowards of men." -- THOMAS JEFFERSON)
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It's quite obvious it is. Nobody is so nutter to think the natives should not reproduce, and just continually import college age folks from abroad, who should also not reproduce, so that we extirpate from the public square adolescents, those lawless and ever expensive over testosteroned or estrogoned Id driven ones. Give me a break, and get a clue. It is sort of like that Jonathon Swift novel. You remember that one don't you, A Modest Proposal, suggesting that the Irish should cannibalize themselves to at once "solve" the over population and hunger problem?
41 posted on 08/12/2005 7:31:14 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie

Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?
42 posted on 08/12/2005 7:38:58 PM PDT by Scythian
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To: Scythian

What drugs was this imbecile on when he wrote this?


43 posted on 08/12/2005 7:42:05 PM PDT by darkangel82
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..... I vote to keep the kids and shoot all the old, fat, ugly people.

Whew! I'm not fat .... otherwise, close call!

44 posted on 08/12/2005 7:42:44 PM PDT by gnawbone
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To: Torie

A Modest Proposal


45 posted on 08/12/2005 7:46:05 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and open the Land Office)
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To: Scythian

The Shakers live.


46 posted on 08/12/2005 7:48:42 PM PDT by junta (Is Mexico an ally in the WOT?)
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To: Scythian
Our efforts to please them involve vast expenditures on cereals, toys, games and clothes that contribute little to their or our long-term satisfaction or well-being.

Mr. Morton Marcus, I dont think you will grow if you were denied of these things by your parents.But there must be something wrong with the cereal fed on you - your not "well" recently.

47 posted on 08/12/2005 7:49:37 PM PDT by ChristianDefender (If you can't fight with M16/M4.. then use prayer, if not just choose whose side are You!)
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And then I read the whole article. Perhaps he is a bit oblique, but his point is made, less ideology more manners.


48 posted on 08/12/2005 7:52:10 PM PDT by junta (Is Mexico an ally in the WOT?)
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later maybe pingout.


49 posted on 08/12/2005 7:53:47 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: Scythian

Garden variety neo-malthusianism. The is the underlying philosophy of Planned Parenthood.


50 posted on 08/12/2005 7:56:25 PM PDT by RobbyS (chirho)
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