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To: Havoc

So in essence you are attempting to say that because sin has been removed from the judgement of man, we can break the levitical laws.

That's a pretty huge leap. God moved judgement from Man to himself. There is still a judge over the situation. How then do you reach the conclusion that I said it's now ok to just up and break the law? Judgement belongs to God, just as does vengeance. >>>

You said the abdication of sin related to the fact that the punishment for breaking Gods laws when it came to the levitical laws, moved from the purview of man to God, and therefore in that stretch you claimed thats what gave us the right to break the levitical laws when it came to food stuff.

Am I wrong or did I miss something there?


725 posted on 08/21/2005 9:31:57 PM PDT by aft_lizard (This space waiting for a post election epiphany it now is: Question Everything)
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To: aft_lizard

Well, yes, you're wrong and missed something cause I never made any such statement. Tell you what, try reading it again.


726 posted on 08/21/2005 11:02:12 PM PDT by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade. Hang the traitors high)
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To: aft_lizard
So in essence you are attempting to say that because sin has been removed from the judgement of man, we can break the levitical laws.

I want to revisit this because it seems to be at the core of your problem. Paul addresses this very issue in Galatians 6, in Corinthians and in Romans. He states plainly that we are not under the law - that would include the levitical portion of it. He asks and answers the question 'if we're not under the law, shall we then sin because we're under grace.' Paul rightly recognized that the law does address what is sin. The law existed to punish and stop sin. In absence of enforcement of the law, are we to sin as we will? His answer and mine is "God forbid."

I didn't speak to whether we're allowed to break the law as we choose. On the other hand, we are not under the law; but, rather under Grace as Paul notes in Galatians and his other writings. The question you asked earlier was when the rules for clean and unclean foods disappeared in God's eyes. That happened in the Acts and I answered to that affect with a citation. You didn't process that at all and still seem to think that after God blessed that which was once unclean and made it clean, it is still under rebuke. You have arrived at the same place as the judaizers. And it is with no astonishment on my part that you have. That's a central problem with the religion you've chosen and crops up over and again because it's a ground of authority your clergy roped it's chuckwagon to.. burdening you with the law and requiring you to come to the priest for judgement and forgiveness as in the old system which was done away with. That's great until you actually read and figure that out - until then they collect your 10% and keep going. And you are blissfully ignorant of scripture, yet armed to argue, by them, points you know nothing about. You should go thank them and consider why you don't know scripture.. it isn't entirely their fault; but, they are kinda counting on it. 10% adds up if you get enough people doing it. Just a thought.

729 posted on 08/22/2005 9:07:35 AM PDT by Havoc (Reagan was right and so was McKinley. Down with free trade. Hang the traitors high)
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