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Interesting screen name. Darwin got his idea fro natural selection for the economics of the invisible hand. It convinced him that just as unplanned economies produce the best results, natural selection produces the most robust biological designs.


39 posted on 08/14/2005 6:51:23 PM PDT by js1138 (Science has it all: the fun of being still, paying attention, writing down numbers...)
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To: js1138
Interesting screen name. Darwin got his idea fro natural selection for the economics of the invisible hand. It convinced him that just as unplanned economies produce the best results, natural selection produces the most robust biological designs.

I almost sprayed my screen with tea, so absurd is this post. !!! Very entertaining, however.

I've never, ever heard the concept of the Invisible Hand associated with Natural Selection but it is a marvelous opportunity for discussion. I mean, it screams "intelligent design," yet, if Darwin believed in that, it really ought to be brought into the debate. And if he postulated that the Invisible Hand were an impersonal force, it would have left a hole in his logic large enough to fit an Ark through.

Makes me want to get a better handle on Darwin's understanding/assumptions about randomness. Randomness is the Almighty's way of keeping a sinful creation on a tight leash.

76 posted on 08/15/2005 2:17:54 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (see my FR page for a link to the tribute to Terri Schaivo, a short video presentation.)
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To: js1138
Interesting screen name. Darwin got his idea fro natural selection for the economics of the invisible hand. It convinced him that just as unplanned economies produce the best results, natural selection produces the most robust biological designs.

And of course it has never been said that the discerning of an Invisible Hand at work in the affairs of men precludes any planning or cooperation on thier part. Rather, the division of labor, and the distribution of goods and services require a great deal of planning on the part of the individuals who are engaged in the various component activities that make up the whole.

77 posted on 08/15/2005 2:20:37 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (see my FR page for a link to the tribute to Terri Schaivo, a short video presentation.)
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To: js1138

"Darwin got his idea fro natural selection for the economics of the invisible hand. It convinced him that just as unplanned economies produce the best results, natural selection produces the most robust biological designs."

It appears that he actually got his idea from reading Malthus:

"The art of plant and animal breeding had existed for a long time. The step Darwin took was to postulate a similar process in nature. Presupposing that spontaneous variation somehow occurs, he postulated a process of selection, not by a human plant or animal breeder, but by nature. What could this process be? The answer occurred to him when he was reading Malthus on population. Wallace also got the idea from Malthus. (See Leakey (ed.), The Illustrated Origin of Species, pp. 9 and 10.) What Malthus said of the human population--that every pair produces more than two offspring and that there is a tendency to outstrip the food supply--occurs with every species. Just as the human population is checked and reduced from time to time by starvation, disease, war etc., so the population of every plant and animal species is checked from time to time by lack of food, predation, etc. Whatever the checks, only some individuals will survive and propagate; what matters in this context is not the parents' survival but propagation and the survival to the breeding stage of their offspring. Nature thus selects for breeding those individuals whose characteristics fit them best to survive and propagate in the face of whatever it is that is checking and reducing this population. If the check is a harsh climate, then nature selects those best fitted to survive and reproduce in a harsh climate. Notice that there is selection without any selector."

From here: http://www.humanities.mq.edu.au/Ockham/y64l051.html
Now, if I recall correctly, Malthus is a darling prophet to the environmental whacko leftists. Libertarian economists have neatly linked Darwinism to the Invisible Hand stuff, but it appears Darwin himself did not.


112 posted on 08/16/2005 5:25:52 AM PDT by gobucks (http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/classics/students/Ribeiro/Laocoon.htm)
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