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Confrontation in Carlsbad .. Illegal immigration out of control
CaliforniaRepublic.org ^ | 8/16/05 | J. F. Kelly, Jr.

Posted on 08/16/2005 7:13:03 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

Almost any discussion of immigration elicits deeply felt emotions. Still, most Americans seem to feel that immigrants will continue to play an important role in our country’s growth and that America should continue to be a beacon to the disadvantaged and oppressed peoples of the world seeking a better life. That there are many more of these than the United States can possibly accommodate does not seem to deter most Americans in favoring a liberal immigration policy. Ours certainly fits that description.

For one thing, young, working immigrants replenish our aging workforce and provide additional payroll taxes to help keep social security solvent. We also are increasingly in need of foreign-born scientists and engineers to sustain our leadership in these areas.

We are speaking, of course about legal immigration. Our immigration policy needs urgent reform to ensure, not only that it remains fair and free of racial, ethnic and religious bias, but that it serves our national need for well-educated and skilled people whose net contribution to the economy will exceed their demands on it. But no meaningful reform is worthwhile without first addressing the illegal immigration crisis.

Under Presidents Clinton and Bush, illegal immigration, especially from Mexico and Central America, has surged to the point that there are now over 20 million illegal aliens in the United States. They are, undoubtedly, mostly good, hardworking men and women with strong religious values who are seeking a better life for their families. Who can blame them, given the lack of economic opportunities and social services in their native countries? Many of us, in their position, would do the same.

These good people, however, are not, for the most part, the educated, skilled technicians and professionals that a self-serving national immigration policy would favor. They are largely unskilled farm, domestic and food service workers who join the growing unskilled, entry-level workforce already here, further depressing their wages and adding to an economic underclass. Many, if not most, will not contribute payroll taxes to ease the strain on social security. Their numbers include pregnant women and children who may not work at all but will contribute to current overloading of schools, emergency medical facilities and welfare services. They also include, unfortunately, drug smugglers, dealers, gang members and probably terrorists. With respect to the latter, we have little way of knowing how many because our borders are simply out of control.

And our borders are dangerous. Some Mexican cities along our southern border are hotbeds of violence, lawlessness and corruption, prompting our State Department on several occasions to issue warnings to tourists. The violence, mostly drug related, has spread across the border, posing a danger to our own citizens. Blame it on the American demand for drugs, if you wish; it is no less of a danger and a threat to Americans.

Impatient with the repeated failure of the federal government to act effectively, citizens are seeking other solutions including proposals for state border control agencies, the use of state National Guard forces and the creation of volunteer groups to act as eyes and ears for the overwhelmed and undermanned Border Patrol. Predictably, the volunteer groups have been demonized and called vigilantes by apologists for illegal immigration.

In Carlsbad, Calif., recently, State Sen. Bill Morrow (R, Oceanside) organized a forum to discuss border security. Featured speakers included U.S. Rep. Tom Tancredo (R, Colo.) and former U.S. Attorney for the San Diego region, Peter Nunez. They discussed the effects of illegal immigration on health care, the economy, security, crime, education and the environment. Morrow had sued Carlsbad Unified Schools Superintendent John Roach to get him to honor a commitment to use facilities on the Carlsbad High School campus for the forum, which drew a standing room crowd. Roach was reportedly concerned about the possibility of physical violence.

His concern almost materialized. Well over 100 protestors jeered and shouted slogans. According to the San Diego Union-Tribune coverage of the event, they included Muslims protesting comments that Tancredo previously had made speculating on the possibility that America could target Muslim holy places in response to an Islamic terrorist attack. A Union-Tribune photo shows a man in Arab headdress holding a sign reading, “Stop the Minutemen. Keep the Borders Open”.

To say that this confrontation was ugly is to put it mildly. About 150 police, many in riot gear, from multiple jurisdictions kept the factions separated and escorted the panelists and their supporters to their cars after the forum to avoid more confrontation.

At issue here is nothing less than the right of a sovereign nation to control its own borders and to regulate who may enter. Protestors argue that anything short of open borders is racist and that there is no such thing as an illegal human being. How did things come to this state of affairs? For blame look no further than the Bush administration and the Congress, whose failure to deal effectively with illegal immigration has allowed it to spiral out of control.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; US: California; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aliens; borderpatrol; carlsbad; confrontation; illegals; immigrantlist; immigrants; minutemenproject; openborders
Contributor J.F. Kelly, Jr.

J.F. Kelly, Jr. is a retired Navy Captain and bank executive who writes on current events and military subjects. He is a resident of Coronado, California.

1 posted on 08/16/2005 7:13:06 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: Travis McGee; dalereed

fyi


2 posted on 08/16/2005 7:14:37 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... "To remain silent when they should protest makes cowards of men." -- THOMAS JEFFERSON)
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To: NormsRevenge
Still, most Americans seem to feel that... America should continue to be a beacon to the disadvantaged and oppressed peoples of the world..."

Beacon, yes.

Free ride: NO!

3 posted on 08/16/2005 7:21:56 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: gubamyster

ping


4 posted on 08/16/2005 7:27:58 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: NormsRevenge



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5 posted on 08/16/2005 7:30:22 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... "To remain silent when they should protest makes cowards of men." -- THOMAS JEFFERSON)
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To: NormsRevenge

http://www.calborderpolice.com/

Illegal Immigration Facts and Figures

10.4 million illegal aliens reside in the United States.
(source: Pew Hispanic Center)

Every year, 500,000 additional illegal aliens enter the United States
(source: Pew Hispanic Center)

California's nearly 3 million illegal immigrants cost taxpayers nearly $9 billion each year
(source: Federation for American Immigration Reform)

Illegal aliens cost the federal government $10 billion more annually than they pay in taxes.
(source: Center for Immigration Studies)

Taxpayers pay $750 million annually to house the 18,000 illegal aliens in California prisons.
(source: US Govt. Accounting Office)


6 posted on 08/16/2005 7:35:38 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... "To remain silent when they should protest makes cowards of men." -- THOMAS JEFFERSON)
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To: Happy2BMe; HiJinx; gubamyster; NormsRevenge
These are the kinds of folks at Carlsbad representing the Open Borders Lobby:

America-haters who equate Old Glory with a Nazi swastika,

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And neo-Communists still peddling "Workers of the world unite!"

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7 posted on 08/16/2005 7:36:27 AM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Travis McGee

I don't recall this particular photo being posted:

A Union-Tribune photo shows a man in Arab headdress holding a sign reading, “Stop the Minutemen. Keep the Borders Open”.


I think I'll try to find the UT article on line.


8 posted on 08/16/2005 7:40:48 AM PDT by onyx (North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: Redbob

OK, beacon. Does that have to include - welfare, free medical, free college tuition, Social Security benefits, retirement, free housing, total voting privileges, Sanctuary Cities? And a free ride for criminals?

Those are the BIG problems in all of this. And somehow they are never addressed. It is either -- let 'em in or keep 'em out. How about adding Common Sense into the mix?


9 posted on 08/16/2005 7:41:13 AM PDT by bboop
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To: NormsRevenge
"For blame look no further than the Bush administration and the Congress, whose failure to deal effectively with illegal immigration has allowed it to spiral out of control."

That applies to the previous administration and previous congresses as well -- and no doubt will apply to future administrations and congresses -- democrat or republican.

The question is why? What is the simple truth here? Can it be explained in twenty-five words or less?

10 posted on 08/16/2005 7:41:52 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Travis McGee
"Worker's Struggle"? Now, where have I heard that term before?

11 posted on 08/16/2005 7:50:48 AM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: NormsRevenge; JohnHuang2; keri; international american; Kay Soze; jpsb; hershey; TomInNJ; ...
At issue here is nothing less than the right of a sovereign nation to control its own borders and to regulate who may enter.

12 posted on 08/16/2005 7:55:39 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (Viva La MIGRA - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: NormsRevenge

Our President, Congress, and judges are PURPOSELY destroying our country!


13 posted on 08/16/2005 8:04:30 AM PDT by proudofthesouth (Boycotting movies since 1988)
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To: onyx; Travis McGee

I'm pretty sure those photos were taken during last week's illelal immigration forum at the high school in Carlsbad. FReepers were well represented, and their photos (the two above included) were posted on the after-action thread.


14 posted on 08/16/2005 8:05:23 AM PDT by HiJinx (~ www.ProudPatriots.org ~ Serving Those Who Serve Us ~ Operation Semper Fi ~)
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To: HiJinx


I saw our thread, complete with all the photos, but I can't find this one anywhere in the UT's online photo galleria.


15 posted on 08/16/2005 8:07:00 AM PDT by onyx (North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: Happy2BMe

At issue here is nothing less than the right of a sovereign nation to control its own borders and to regulate who may enter.
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Washington needs a major housecleaning --- so we can put REAL AMERICANS into the Congress who give a damn about their country, to say the least.


16 posted on 08/16/2005 8:07:52 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Travis McGee
And neo-Communists still peddling "Workers of the world unite!"

That would be the International Action Center founded by Ramsey Clark
http://www.iacenter.org/
San Diego, CA
619 692-4422

17 posted on 08/16/2005 8:11:47 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: William Terrell; Travis McGee
""Worker's Struggle"? Now, where have I heard that term before? "

Code for 'eliminate the middle class by draining their resources and stealing the fruits of their labor.'

18 posted on 08/16/2005 8:11:48 AM PDT by Eastbound
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To: NormsRevenge
Still, most Americans seem to feel that immigrants will continue to play an important role in our country’s growth and that America should continue to be a beacon to the disadvantaged and oppressed peoples of the world seeking a better life.

I don't believe this, as most Americans may be stupid but still possess enough knowledge for self preservation.

America's traitorous politicians have redistributed America's wealth to the point that we are close to bankruptcy. American workers are being fired from good jobs with benefits, and are seeing Mexicans take the jobs for almost nothing and no benefits. Not only that, the American tax payers are being forced to pay the benefits of these people, so the big business can reap the rewards. One day it will all come to an end, when America returns to life as it was in the 30s.

Disadvantaged and oppressed people of the world are that way because of the criminals they elect to take over their governments. Once Bush gets this country filled with illegals from these nations, we'll see the same criminals rise to power in this country and we'll become a huge third world nation ourselves.

19 posted on 08/16/2005 8:18:26 AM PDT by swampfox98 (How American became a nation of traitors: Greed, corrupt politicians and religious leaders.)
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To: onyx

psssstt.... : )


20 posted on 08/16/2005 8:24:24 AM PDT by Hand em their arse
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To: onyx; Travis McGee

Intifada, Death to the Rednecks! >> http://kirkbytv.com/Video/Teaser3_15fps.wmv


21 posted on 08/16/2005 8:27:55 AM PDT by TERMINATTOR ("I believe in background checks at gun shows or anywhere" - GWB)
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To: onyx

Ah, I see. I'm not surprised that UT didn't want to publish that!


22 posted on 08/16/2005 8:34:41 AM PDT by HiJinx (~ www.ProudPatriots.org ~ Serving Those Who Serve Us ~ Operation Semper Fi ~)
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To: Hand em their arse

LOL! Not of the golf course today? What gives, hmmmm?


23 posted on 08/16/2005 8:48:41 AM PDT by onyx (North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: TERMINATTOR

It won't let me see it without downloading a new window's media player, and the download is asking me to agree to a lot of things that are way over my comprehension...


24 posted on 08/16/2005 8:51:18 AM PDT by onyx (North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: onyx

Ha! Yeah, I have to work every once in a while... The PGA Championship was about 5 minutes from my house this weekend, and being that I deal with the USGA not the PGA, I decided to get the hell outta here and go to the beach for the week....

Savagely tan, Onyx... : )


25 posted on 08/16/2005 9:25:48 AM PDT by Hand em their arse
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To: onyx

I'll ping you to a Clinton thread I was on earlier, amazing the influence some of these bands had on him.... hehehehe!!!


26 posted on 08/16/2005 9:27:23 AM PDT by Hand em their arse
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 4.1O dana super trac pak; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; ...

ping


27 posted on 08/16/2005 10:38:23 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: Hand em their arse


Savagely? Oh my. Nothing like wicked tan lines.


28 posted on 08/16/2005 11:10:13 AM PDT by onyx (North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: onyx
I don't recall this particular photo being posted:

A Union-Tribune photo shows a man in Arab headdress holding a sign reading, “Stop the Minutemen. Keep the Borders Open”.

Someone claiming to be that guy called in to a talk show yesterday. Might have been the Roger Hedgecock show, AM600, in San Diego. He said he was attempting a parody, pointing out that terrorists want open borders. It might well be true, but there are so many real squirrels out there who actually believe that that the subtlety would escape most people. He should have taken it more over the top if he wanted to make that point.

29 posted on 08/16/2005 12:37:16 PM PDT by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: gubamyster
The article states: We also are increasingly in need of foreign-born scientists and engineers to sustain our leadership in these areas.

Yeah, there's lots of scientists and engineers coming over that Mexican border. (sarc)

30 posted on 08/16/2005 12:48:08 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: John Jorsett

That's a palatable explanation. I'd still like to see the photo, but I just can't locate it on line.


31 posted on 08/16/2005 12:59:14 PM PDT by onyx (North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Who can blame them, given the lack of economic opportunities and social services in their native countries? Many of us, in their position, would do the same.

The author thinks that many Americans would choose to break the law just to earn more money than they're currently earning. The author is a moron.

32 posted on 08/16/2005 1:06:25 PM PDT by judgeandjury
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To: onyx

nah, that would be more "new englandish" : )


33 posted on 08/16/2005 1:30:13 PM PDT by Hand em their arse
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To: EagleUSA
"Washington needs a major housecleaning --- so we can put REAL AMERICANS into the Congress who give a damn about their country, to say the least.

Amen!

34 posted on 08/16/2005 3:49:59 PM PDT by TheLion
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