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ARRRRGH. DARN YOU, CONGRESSMAN WELDON (NRO blogger loses grip...as heard on Rush!)
National Review Online ^ | 8/16/05 | Jim Geraghty

Posted on 08/16/2005 10:28:31 AM PDT by spycatcher

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To: justshutupandtakeit

they still confuse forums and blogs.


81 posted on 08/16/2005 12:24:17 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: longtermmemmory

Weldon has said he added language to the defense bill to fund a project called 'Able Providence' that uses the same (or updated)type of technology. He has also said that the bill signed by Bush in January creating the TTIC (terrorist Threat Integration Center) goes a long way to removing the obstacles to sharing intelligence that were there. He does not agree on having an Intelligence Czar, though.


82 posted on 08/16/2005 12:24:23 PM PDT by SueRae
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To: ConsentofGoverned

Re#57 That was Rush's point today on these "Commissions". But then, times are different with New Media. Were we in the days of Old Media's monopoly, we would not even have heard of Able Danger--unless it was during a GOP administration....


83 posted on 08/16/2005 12:26:45 PM PDT by eureka! (Hey Lefties: Only 3 and 1/2 more years of W. Hehehehe....)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

Give me one example of a BOOK written by an active politician that did anything but pad the wallet and ego of said politician.

Let's see... Newt Gingrich? er... Hillary Clinton? er... Robert Byrd?

What's the motive for Weldon? I'm sure he can come up with some money and run some public service announcements in prime time for something so critical to the nation, don'tcha think?


84 posted on 08/16/2005 12:27:29 PM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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To: conservative blonde

I quit taking Krauthammer as a real conservative when he came out for embryonic stem cell research. Now I don't listen to anything he says.


Know what you mean, but I kind of gave him a break, considering his paralysis. He, like Mort Kondracke have personal reason for believing that stem cell research might be worthwhile if it finds cures for conditions such as Krauthammers and Mort's wife's.


85 posted on 08/16/2005 12:28:07 PM PDT by Primetimedonna
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To: spycatcher
Er... what do you mean Able Danger is not part of Countdown to Terror?

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1093694,00.html

In a particularly dramatic scene in Weldon’s book, Countdown to Terror, the Pennsylvania Republican described personally handing to then-Deputy National Security Adviser Steve Hadley, just after Sept. 11, an Able Danger chart produced in 1999 identifying Atta. But Weldon told TIME he’s no longer certain Atta’s name was on that original document. The congressman says he handed Hadley his only copy.

So he published this in a book without being certain? Without documented proof to back up the allegations?

86 posted on 08/16/2005 12:33:51 PM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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To: Rutles4Ever

Since you appear to be oblivious I'll give you a clue - having a new book is one of the most effective means of getting face time on the tube to discuss whatever ideas are in the book. I have yet to see the host say "Gee Rutles why don't you tell us about your latest post on FR." Blogs can be deleted or changed.

Not only is a book the most effective means of putting ideas forward contemporaneously but it also provides a permanent source of research for future readers. In many cases the author is long dead before a book is read stimulating the production of more research and new ideas.

Disraeli was a best selling novelist before he became Prime Minister. JFK had a bestselling book which was worthy of reading. Teddy Roosevelt wrote MANY books on many subjects. Arthur Vandenburg wrote an excellent biography about Alexander Hamilton. Bobby Kennedy wrote an excellent expose of the Communist menace to the labor movement in the fifties. Winston Churchill wrote outstanding histories. Is that enough or do I have to go beyond off the top of my head?


87 posted on 08/16/2005 12:37:39 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: Rutles4Ever

I'm well aware that it's a small part of his book, brainiac. You don't comprehend very well.


88 posted on 08/16/2005 12:42:21 PM PDT by spycatcher
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To: longtermmemmory
They're data-mining like mad... in most states. It's NOT across-the-board and the amount is dependent on how much homeland-security funds they've alloted for it.

Why Able Danger past findings would expose anything -- but a coverup -- is beyond me.

89 posted on 08/16/2005 12:45:58 PM PDT by johnny7 (“I like ya, Lloyd. I always liked ya. You were always the best of 'em.”)
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To: Rutles4Ever

How about this? Go pay that $19.95 you're obsessing about to renew your Time Magazine subscription if that's who you trust to give you the full story on the 9/11 Commission and Able Danger.

Or you can just shut up, pay nothing, and Congress can investigate.


90 posted on 08/16/2005 12:46:45 PM PDT by spycatcher
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To: spycatcher
No, it's just some NRO blogger with an ax to grind who's smearing Weldon prematurely for supposedly pulling a Dan Rather.

I really don't think so. Just step back and look at what we have.

We have Weldon.

That's it. Just his word. No documentation. No names. Nothing at all to corroborate his statements. That's just not enough particularly when you can be certain that there is at least one and probably several Able Danger files in existence that document all of their findings. All he has to do is read those documents himself and, in an unclassified way, tell us what they said.

Don't get me wrong. I hope Weldon's story holds water. If the evidence is there and available to the blogosphere we can have another Rather-like victory. But at this point that looks unlikely. Maybe in a week things will be looking up. I hope so.

91 posted on 08/16/2005 1:01:38 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: SeaBiscuit
There may be quite a few powerful people that don't want to see that happen.

On both sides of the aisle.

92 posted on 08/16/2005 1:03:15 PM PDT by airborne
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To: conservative blonde
I quit taking Krauthammer as a real conservative when he came out for embryonic stem cell research. Now I don't listen to anything he says.

I'm almost afraid to ask you what you think of George Will. But I just did.

93 posted on 08/16/2005 1:04:48 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: Phantom Lord

Forget about the book for now...its irrelevent to the matter at hand....getting at the TRUTH.

I strongly support an independent investigation and hearings into Weldons allegations. Let the chips fall where they may.

How about you?


94 posted on 08/16/2005 1:14:42 PM PDT by Dat Mon (still lookin for a good one....tagline)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
I have yet to see the host say "Gee Rutles why don't you tell us about your latest post on FR."

I don't have access to intelligence supposedly being sandbagged by the CIA, FBI, what-have-you. Weldon claims to. And so can you - for $19.95.

In many cases the author is long dead before a book is read stimulating the production of more research and new ideas. As long as the republic isn't a radioactive wasteland by then. At least that's the urgency Weldon wants us, the consumer - ER ER - I mean, READER to have.

Disraeli was a best selling novelist before he became Prime Minister. JFK had a bestselling book which was worthy of reading. Teddy Roosevelt wrote MANY books on many subjects. Arthur Vandenburg wrote an excellent biography about Alexander Hamilton. Bobby Kennedy wrote an excellent expose of the Communist menace to the labor movement in the fifties. Winston Churchill wrote outstanding histories. Is that enough or do I have to go beyond off the top of my head?

But Weldon isn't SELLING his book as a "reflection" on his political career and/or philosophy. He's selling this as important and urgent information that you and I need in order to survive. Something tells me Winston Churchill would have taken advantage of the Internet to reach the most people in the quickest fashion if he had information like this.

There's no reason Weldon couldn't have written the book after going public in the relatively unconflicted Blogosphere. If this is urgent and critical, what took him so long? Blogs can be compiled and published later. Google and DejaView can retrieve sites with a day-to-day history to prevent future editing conflicts.

95 posted on 08/16/2005 1:15:27 PM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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To: airborne

Yep, and their rationale would be, 'that for the sake of the country they could not permit insult after injury'.


96 posted on 08/16/2005 1:15:47 PM PDT by SeaBiscuit (God Bless all who defend America and Friends, the rest can go to hell.)
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To: spycatcher

I can read Time on the web for free. Amazingly, TIME magazine doesn't even make me pay to have access to information. Congressman Weldon does.


97 posted on 08/16/2005 1:16:46 PM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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To: InterceptPoint

No, we have more than Weldon. Other papers have independently quoted military sources. ]

Now could military guys be lying to sell future books?

Theoretically, but it would be shocking if it was a military greed conspiracy.


98 posted on 08/16/2005 1:16:48 PM PDT by spycatcher
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To: spycatcher
Well for politicians it's very normal to write a book.

Which is why copyight is eternal.

99 posted on 08/16/2005 1:19:00 PM PDT by zeugma (Muslims are varelse...)
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To: spycatcher
Or you can just shut up, pay nothing, and Congress can investigate.

Are you that naive? What - Frist is going to get up and point his finger at Jamie Gorelick and call her an ignorant slut? LOL!

Congress will do nothing. Maybe Bush 41 can come in and regale the committee with tales of playing golf with Klinton and what a great guy he is.

100 posted on 08/16/2005 1:21:34 PM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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