Two Illegal Immigrants Win Arizona Ranch in Court Fight

The New York Times ^ | 08/19/05 | Andrew Pollack

[OKIEDOC]

Moris Dees is another ACLU supporter.

Why do the Jews support the very people who in the long run want to destroy them.

Hasn't Cindy Sheehans ranting been proof enough that liberals don't hold Jews in high esteem.

[hispanarepublicana]

When your grandparents were migrant workers in West Texas they might have set up their camp on my grandparents' ranch some Summers. My mother remembers watching the Mexicans build clay ovens in which to cook tortillas; of picking up their pinto beans and flour each week when they took the wagon into town.

My grandparents were Americans, not Mexicans. And, it wasn't my grandparents who were migrant workers, it was my parents (children of the Depression whose parents lost their farms).

Having journals from the past in ALL languages or in a special collection (such as the Turkish Oral History narrative at Texas Tech) is a wonderful idea for a library. Having bathroom signs, xerox machine instructions, the library catalog, the library cards, the brochures, the use policies, etc., IS NOT. (Your deflect and redirect debate tactics are growin tiresome).

[freakboy]

All, or almost all, states have laws that state that if injury is caused, including death, during th commission of a crime the perpetrators are guilty of the bodily injury up to and including murder.

Does that mean that I can kill a shoplifter?

[Isabelle]

Mr. Dees said the loss of the ranch would "send a pretty important message to those who come to the border to use violence."


What about those who come from south of the border to do damage?

[Dead Corpse]

Because some of those Americans are those in the Government failing to do their JOB of enforcing border security. Period.

Plug that hole and dealing with the trickle of illegals that would still get in would be a moot point and very managable. Leaving the floodgates open and offering them EVEN MORE in the form of guest worker/amnesty programs is not helping.

Way to try and dodge the question though.

[Modernman]

So once you're policy has been enacted, what do we do with all those unemployable Mexicans that have already managed to squeeze through? If they're idle, wouldn't it be even worse than it is now?

All you really need to do is change the laws so that states are required to confirm legal status before granting welfare.

The unemployed illegals will then slowly but surely filter back to Mexico.

[moehoward]

So you would rather create an America worse than where the Illegals come from? You may want to rethink that.

" Hm. I can only report what I've observed."

So do I.

[Modernman]

A chill pill might be in order. This thread is having posts pulled, left and right.

At the end of the day, I think we're all opposed to illegal immigration. We just disagree as to the best way to solve the problem.

[Travis McGee]

We've all read Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals." We understand radical tactics now, and we have learned how to play the game. We won't be pushovers this time, like we were in the 1960s.

[r9etb]

Bull. My parents didn't have insurance when I was born, but they paid in cash because they waited to have children until they'd saved up enough. It's called personal responsibility.

HR, it's just not the same way anymore. If you show up at the doctor's office without insurance, it costs over a hundred bucks just for a checkup. If you need stitches, it costs a few hundred bucks. If you need an asthma inhaler, it can cost 125 bucks for a single inhaler. I seriously doubt that you could afford a hospital visit for something that you didn't have time to save up for in advance (say, a heart attack). I know I couldn't.

Further, I don't hold the government completely blameless for making the services available, but somehow, the illegals need to realize that they need to get off the teat

Seriously: if Americans are willing to continue giving it away for free, why should illegals stop taking it? If it's a choice between free care or "no care because I can't afford it," I know which one most folks are going to take.

and either get documented so they can advance themselves without government help or come here legally to begin with so that they can make decent enough money rather than under-the-table, cut-rate wages with no employer benefits.

I very strongly agree. The question is: how do you address the American side of this? Americans are the ones out there dangling under-the-table, cut-rate, no-benefits wages. That's what's driving these folks to come across illegally, rather than waiting years for the necessary documentation.

[Lead Moderator]

Knock off the revolution talk or you won't be here much longer