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This is huge and long overdue. Consistently applied, this could have sweeping ramifications for the.

There is no such thing as "neutrality", or non-religion. Atheism is indeed a religion or worldview. It is our unofficial state religion, in fact, if recent court rulings on the Ten Commandments, sodomy, and partial-birth abortion are any indication. It has gotten a free ride on the religion train for far too long.

1 posted on 08/20/2005 12:11:12 AM PDT by Lexinom
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Does this mean atheist buildings in Wisconsin will be tax-exempt?


97 posted on 08/20/2005 8:39:48 AM PDT by JasonSC
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Moral Absolutes Ping.

Interesting court decision and very interesting discussion on the thread.

Some said this could "level the playing field". The other day someone posted a few dictionary defitions of religion, one of the 4 included any philosophy or world view that one believed in and followed. So according to that definition, atheist (especially for the avowed, public atheists) would be a religion.

It's about time that the "separation of church and state" myth is put to rest.

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99 posted on 08/20/2005 8:53:00 AM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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This ought to be interesting. Bump for later reading.


101 posted on 08/20/2005 9:16:57 AM PDT by Kevin OMalley (No, not Freeper#95235, Freeper #1165: Charter member, What Was My Login Club.)
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Atheism is a religion??

a. Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods.

b. The doctrine that there is no God or gods.

c. Godlessness; immorality.

How does it work to have a religion without a god?

103 posted on 08/20/2005 9:32:47 AM PDT by lstanle
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To declare, "I believe that there is no God" is undoubtedly an act of faith.


106 posted on 08/20/2005 9:41:05 AM PDT by T. Buzzard Trueblood ("...there was a relationship between Iraq and al Qaeda." - Thomas Kean, chairman, 9/11 Commission)
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You're 100% correct, and something I've always said, myself; atheism is, indeed, a belief system, i.e., a religion.


107 posted on 08/20/2005 9:42:29 AM PDT by nicmarlo
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There are only two religions.

Atheism is merely one of the "belief systems" among thousands in the man-centered religion catagory.


113 posted on 08/20/2005 10:21:12 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind'. Albert Einstein)
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I know one thing for sure. No atheist is going to die for his beliefs. It would defy the point woudn't it?

//SARCASM OFF

114 posted on 08/20/2005 10:31:07 AM PDT by bubman
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There is no such thing as "neutrality", or non-religion.

While I agree that Atheism is a religion, I disagree with your statement above. Agnosticism is "neutrality" and, unlike atheism, doesn't claim to know that there is or is not a God.

117 posted on 08/20/2005 10:34:38 AM PDT by SunStar (Democrats piss me off!)
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Like light and darkness they go hand in hand.


121 posted on 08/20/2005 10:36:48 AM PDT by TheForceOfOne (The alternative media is our Enigma machine.)
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Overdue, perhaps. Huge, no. Actually, perhaps dangerous for us.

When the courts recognize secularism as a religion, then that will be huge, in my opinion.

Atheism, as an actively practiced belief system that is as certain that there is no God as the Pope is certain that there is a God, is a belief system held by a rather small set of people (fair notice - I am one of those Atheists, though a rather odd one.)

Secularism, as the lack of an actively practiced belief system, that is twisted by the left and the ACLU into the right not to be offended by any overt expression of someone else's belief system, is widely held by those on the left. Secularism puts too much 'faith' in them, the government and other large institutions, to achieve that false hope of a Heaven on Earth.

The ACLU and its leftist friends has turned the "no establishment of religion" clause in the Constitution into the claim that "secularism - the absence of any overt belief system" must be the established State Religion.

It will be a minor twist of the logic to lump the few outspoken Atheists in with the Catholics, Lutherans, Jews, Methodists, Episcopalians, and what have you.

Indeed, this is a dangerous court decision for us on the Right, as it will be twisted by the Left into the claim that they are "being fair and impartial - even Atheists are prohibited from public expression of their belief system."

While those on the right may well label the left as Atheists with a broad stroke, those on the left will easily be able to twist that label into referring to a minor and ignorable (in their view) group, along with all the traditional Christian and Jewish religions.

Such a twist may well not sell to those who are traditionally religious and conservative, but it will sound quite reasonable to the base of the Left. This is a typical example of words meaning different things to different people.

Once secularism (and its cousins socialism, Marxism and communism) are recognized as religions, then the establishment clause can be understood as prohibiting the government from establishing secularism as the state religion. It is the religion of secularism that is now the established state religion, driving out all other signs of religion such as crosses, prayers and the Ten Commandments from public spaces.

124 posted on 08/20/2005 10:54:28 AM PDT by ThePythonicCow (To err is human; to moo is bovine.)
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Good deal. Now they can add Evolution to that list of religions.

"When it comes to the origin of life on this earth, there are only two possibilities: creation or spontaneous generation(evolution). There is no third way. Spontaneous generation was disproved 100 years ago, but that leads us only to one other conclusion: that of supernatural creation. We cannot accept that on philosophical grounds (personal reasons); therefore, we choose to believe in the impossible: that life arose spontaneously by chance.

(George Wald, winner of the 1967 Nobel Peace Prize in Science)

126 posted on 08/20/2005 11:02:39 AM PDT by fish hawk (I am only one, but I am not the only one.)
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Yes! Atheism has been getting a free ride from the govt. and the Libs.... what now?


134 posted on 08/20/2005 11:18:26 AM PDT by Cinnamon
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OMG the aethiests are gonna FREAK! LOL.


138 posted on 08/20/2005 11:38:26 AM PDT by trubluolyguy (If you think you're having a bad day, try crucifixtion.)
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secular humanism was judged a religion 40 years ago. so?


141 posted on 08/20/2005 11:39:12 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (see my FR page for a link to the tribute to Terri Schaivo, a short video presentation.)
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The court may as well rule that black is white or that 2+2=5. Idiots.


143 posted on 08/20/2005 11:41:38 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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Wonderful. Does this mean that the next time Michael Newdow or one of his kind attempt to get a cross removed from some public place, we can tell him to quit imposing his religious views on the rest of us?

Payback sucks, don't it?


150 posted on 08/20/2005 12:08:36 PM PDT by RansomOttawa (tm)
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Until you hear a rant from a Fundamentalist Atheist you wrongly think it is not a religion. These people have pushed it to the limit and now we can start eliminating Atheism from the schools.

Pray for W and Our Freedom Fighters

154 posted on 08/20/2005 12:41:44 PM PDT by bray (Pray for the Freedom of the Iraqis from Islam)
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This is a new low, even for the courts. What are they going to recognize next? How about Nihilism? I know, Egocentrism -- the worship of self. Adherents will be allowed to masterbate at ritualistic intervals since they have yet to figure out a way to **** themselves.


157 posted on 08/20/2005 1:04:05 PM PDT by Dionysius (ACLU is the enemy)
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I can hear "them" now screaming like little scared puppies.

"Oh the injustice of it all!"

"Those evil RELIGIOUS b@stards sitting up there in their old rightwinged boy clubs manipulating it all through Karl Rove and run by Chaney through Rumsfields agents as part of the neocon religious right's plot to turn America into a theology......blah...blah....blah....."

SSSSSWWWWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEETTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!


158 posted on 08/20/2005 1:18:58 PM PDT by porkchops 4 mahound ("Evolution, opiate of the Atheists")
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