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Never, Ever Leave home without It.
Real Life | 8/21/2005 | CholeraJoe

Posted on 08/21/2005 6:02:36 AM PDT by CholeraJoe

"Never, ever leave home without it." No, not your American Express card, your sidearm.

This morning, I woke up about 4:15 and was hungry, so I decided to drive to the local 24-hour beanery. The only other customers were a table of 10, intoxicated 20-somethings making alot of noise.

There were 7 muscular young men and three loud-mouthed young women. After listening to their raucous laughter for 10 minutes, I politely asked the waitress to ask them to hold down the noise. All I wanted to do was eat my breakfast in relative peace.

Her request for quiet lasted about 45 seconds, then the noise and laughter resumed. At that point, I decided to do something.

Bear in mind that I am not an imposing figure. I'm 5'9", mid 50's, and slim. I walked over to the table, and walked completely around it twice. I said, "I'd like y'all to hold down the noise for a while, please." One of the young men started to give me trash-talk but within seconds was elbowed by the guy next to him, who whispered something in his ear. Then everyone at the table said, "Yes, sir, or OK."

What made the difference? Open carry. I was wearing a 9mm semi-auto on my right hip. I never touched it and I made no threats, but it was nevertheless visible.


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To: Polybius
That's pretty funny--and likely.
341 posted on 08/21/2005 9:44:22 AM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: John Robertson
In a state where legal open carry is the law, could one not reasonably be expected to actually see someone carrying a firearm? If so, nothing was "brandished", and like 250 of the 300-odd posts, is is just another symptom of totally warped perceptions of all the horse$hit reasons and excuses why one must not exercise their second amendment rights.
342 posted on 08/21/2005 9:45:09 AM PDT by xcamel (Deep Red, stuck in a "bleu" state.)
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To: chronic_loser
re:I have taken my .9 mm and laid in on the dash of my car in plain sight when I have felt threatened once. Also, MANY years ago, when I was in grad school delivering pizza on weekends to make extra money (a wife and two kids) I have let the grip of a pistol "hang out" of my pocket as I was walking up the sidewalk as I walked past a bunch of guys at 12:00 midnight in the projects. Those are the ONLY two times I have ever displayed a firearm. Guns are for self defense, not to make the restaurant nice and quiet so you can eat the way you like. Relying on your strap on (double entendre intended) to make you a badass actually makes you a poster child for the anti gun nuts. Bragging about it makes you a DUMB poster child for the anti gun nuts. I am a fanatic for rtkba, and unfortunately, I realize that this right must protect your rights as well, even though I think you a BAD BAD BAD example of how to utilize a gun.
Keep it up and someday you will meet someone who is more stupid than you are, and you can spend the rest of your life either justifying how you shot that stupid punk, or wondering at how fast he was able to pin your arm so you could not get it out, and then marvelling at how he beat the living sh!t out of you.

 
Well said all that. repeated just so it dont get lost in the shuffle.
343 posted on 08/21/2005 9:46:20 AM PDT by tomakaze (Cuius testiculos habes, habeas cardia et cerebellum.)
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To: CholeraJoe

Sounds like an attempt to compensate for undersized anatomy.


344 posted on 08/21/2005 9:48:35 AM PDT by Natural Law
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To: CholeraJoe

"What about all of the lunch counters in the south that refused to serve blacks in the 60's? They were forced to integrate at gunpoint. Any establishment open to the public must accept any law-abiding customer. I was a law-abiding customer. The "No shirt, no shoes, no service" might well be as illegal as "No blacks."

Okay, this guy has officially gone off the deep end. He realizes from the overwhelming negative response he's gotten (when he clearly expected all of us to say, Way to go, Man, you really showed those punks...and thanks for giving a good name to the Second Amendment!), that he was a complete, irresponsible ASS, but he just can't bring himself to say, You know what, folks? I may have acted in poor judgement. Thank you for your comments, I'll rethink all of this.

No, not man enough for that. Instead, he's taking the health laws of every state (no bare feet, no half-naked people in restaurants, it's unsanitary), and drawing a civil rights parallel.

Yeah, drunken spring breakers = Rosa Parks.


345 posted on 08/21/2005 9:49:14 AM PDT by John Robertson (Safe Travel)
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To: John Robertson
Our youth violence and death rate is exponentially larger than England's.

That makes sense...In England, the ones getting killed are the honest older citizens.........not the yutes...

346 posted on 08/21/2005 9:52:06 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: Eaker

Oh, you are just flirting.


347 posted on 08/21/2005 9:54:20 AM PDT by patton ("Hard Drive Cemetary" - forthcoming best seller)
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To: John Robertson
Englands Crime
348 posted on 08/21/2005 9:55:16 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: CholeraJoe

"The raucous laughter was punctuated by four letter words and racial slurs."

You punk liar.

If that were significant, it would have been in your first post--you know, the one where the pathetic middleaged man was strutting around showing how tough he was?



349 posted on 08/21/2005 9:56:40 AM PDT by John Robertson (Safe Travel)
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To: John Robertson
You punk liar

That is uncalled for.....

350 posted on 08/21/2005 9:59:40 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: xcamel

Seeing someone with a gun hanging from their hip and having a short old bald man walking around your table s-l-o-w-l-y so you can have a r-e-a-l good look, while telling you to shut up is a completely different thing.

Something wrong with that image. You can bet the prosecutor will have a poster drawn of that and facing the jury during the entire trial.


351 posted on 08/21/2005 10:01:29 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Mulder

NO ONE has licked boots re open carry here. Our objections are about his poor-judgement behavior, and his intimidation with a weapon. Get over yourself.


352 posted on 08/21/2005 10:05:13 AM PDT by John Robertson (Safe Travel)
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To: John Robertson

I would not be so hard on CJ. Any obvious lies would be presented in court. For that matter, any musings CJ put up to the internet could be used against him.

He would just lose his entire life. That must be be tough, but he has a wrongly decided principle to argue.

DOH

DK


353 posted on 08/21/2005 10:07:24 AM PDT by Dark Knight
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To: CholeraJoe
Joe, with all due respect this was very dangerous behaviour.

If these punks had decided they weren't afraid of your 9mm you would have had to use it.

The jury might then decide that you had provoked the whole episode and convicted you of murder or assault with a deadly weapon.

Being armed requires more self-restraint, not less. Sometimes you have to put up with more crap than you would otherwise.

Remember, 12 people too stupid to lie their way out of jury duty may well sit in judgement of you.

Please do be careful.

354 posted on 08/21/2005 10:08:55 AM PDT by LibKill (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: cbkaty
No, its not uncalled for, its needed. This story escalated in the telling. I think the only believable thing about 'the story' was that it came from his own imagination. Dang, I wonder how much else of his profile page is balderdash?
355 posted on 08/21/2005 10:09:38 AM PDT by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: Kenny Bunk
LOL!
356 posted on 08/21/2005 10:10:04 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Why? Ask Jamie Gorelick)
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To: Nathan Zachary
This CholeraJoe could be prosecuted for intimidation in violation of Montana Law MCA 45-5-203:
A person commits the offense of intimidation when, with the purpose to cause another to perform or to omit the performance of any act, he communicates to another, under circumstances which reasonably tend to produce a fear that it will be carried out, a threat to perform without lawful authority ... [to] inflict physical harm on the person threatened or any other person;
The prima facie elements are all present here:
1. Purpose to cause another to omit the performance of an act. In this case, Cholera Joe sought to force the other patrons in the resturaunt to quiet down.
2. Communitcated a threat. CholeraJoe, by his own admission, circled around slowly so they could clearly see that he was armed.
3. Without lawful authority. CholeraJoe, as a patron, had no authority to demand other patrons do anything at all.
4. Threat to inflict physical harm. Well, the firearm display wasn't just to show off his cool toy, but an unspoken warning that he had a gun and was willing to use it.

Good job, CholeraJoe. You committed a felony punishable by 10 years imprisonment and a $50k fine. Brilliant.

357 posted on 08/21/2005 10:11:07 AM PDT by jude24 ("Stupid" isn't illegal - but it should be.)
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To: Nathan Zachary
Seeing someone with a gun hanging from their hip and having a short old bald man walking around your table s-l-o-w-l-y so you can have a r-e-a-l good look, while telling you to shut up is a completely different thing.

Alright...how about a slim, 6'-3", well dressed man in a suit with a gun on his hip...oh yea...and with a full head of hair? Would this grant the complainant the power to ask that they keep the noise down?

358 posted on 08/21/2005 10:11:48 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: patton
WHo are you, and what have you done with the real Mr. Green?

Oh, it's actually me, Willie Green.
If you've detected a difference in the tone of my post, there is a simple explanation:
my lawn needs mowing and it's opressively hot and muggy outside...
I'm under severe stress in my endeavor to postpone, procrastinate and avoid the inevitable.
((((sigh)))) It's a losing battle.

359 posted on 08/21/2005 10:14:27 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: jude24

Should this be forwarded to a Montana prosecutor?

DK


360 posted on 08/21/2005 10:14:30 AM PDT by Dark Knight
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