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Sharon: Hero And Goat Of Gaza
The Post Chronicle ^ | 08\21\2005 | Patrick J. Buchanan

Posted on 08/21/2005 6:12:53 AM PDT by RepublicNewbie

To see Jewish settlers evicted from homes they have lived in for decades, taking weeping wives and children back to Israel, is heart-wrenching. To see Israeli settlers spit in the faces of Israeli soldiers and call them "Nazis" evokes only disgust. Who do these people think they are? Were it not for the Israeli army, they would not have lasted a week in Gaza. Gratitude isn't the long suit of the Zionist fanatic, two of whom murdered Palestinians to protest the removal of Jews from lands that do not and have never belonged to Israel.

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This is a good read. I do not know how I stand on this.. Being a christian I hear many talk about how this (gaza pullout) is wrong from a biblical perspective. I have never found anything to back that up. The extreme right in Israel views the pullout as complcaency and rewarding terrorism. They also believe it's just one step closer to Jerusalem.
1 posted on 08/21/2005 6:12:53 AM PDT by RepublicNewbie
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To: RepublicNewbie

I lean more towards Krauthammer's interpretation of the Gaza pull-out:

Fall back, fortify and wait.


2 posted on 08/21/2005 6:25:41 AM PDT by Senator Goldwater
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To: RepublicNewbie
I do not know how I stand on this..

The pullout is stupid on a number of levels. It will not be long now before Israel goes the way of South Africa. If there is a positive in this, I don't see it.
3 posted on 08/21/2005 6:26:58 AM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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The pullout is stupid on a number of levels. It will not be long now before Israel goes the way of South Africa. If there is a positive in this, I don't see it.

Gaza as a free fire zone?

4 posted on 08/21/2005 6:34:39 AM PDT by CPOSharky (Pubbies - Here is the plan. Demoncrats - You are wrong and you are stupid.)
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To: Senator Goldwater
"Fall back, fortify and wait."

I agree too. Fall back to defensible borders. Fortify so that no suicide bombers can get through to Israel. And wait a long long time until the world changes enough so that peace is possible in the region. That will probably take fifty years or more, so Israel and the world can just forget about any peace process for the foreseeable future.
5 posted on 08/21/2005 6:39:30 AM PDT by Shawndell Green (Mecca delenda est!)
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"It will not be long now before Israel goes the way of South Africa."

I do not see it happening. Israelis are smarter than that. If it were to happen, Rhodesia would be the model rather than South Africa, but what would happen in Israel, should the Arabs ever get control of Israel through political means, would make what happened in Rhodesia look like a walk in the park.
6 posted on 08/21/2005 6:42:05 AM PDT by Shawndell Green (Mecca delenda est!)
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This is a good read. I do not know how I stand on this..

It's so blatantly anti-Israeli that I can't believe it. The author threw two bones to truthfulness: "watching this is heartbreaking", and "terrorism is wrong"--big concession! Thank you very much! The rest of the article is standard anti-Israeli propaganda: the settlers are occupiers (who arouse disgust); Israel should have given Gaza back to the nation that attacked it in 1967; Gaza was never part of Israel, when in fact Gaza and Jordan were part of the British mandate offered for a Jewish homeland under the Balfour declaration; etc., etc.

7 posted on 08/21/2005 6:47:46 AM PDT by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: CPOSharky
Good point. There is that.
8 posted on 08/21/2005 6:50:32 AM PDT by RichInOC (KATZ: HOW ARE YOU GENTLEMEN!! DESTRUCTION ARE ON THE WAY TO YOU. HA HA HA HA....)
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To: RepublicNewbie
I know how I stand on this. Gaza and the West Bank are all part of what was once the Jewish slice of 'Palestine', with the vastly larger Muslim portion being 'Jordan'.

It has often been said by realtors that the value of a given piece of land is determined by location, location and location. In this case, the value of Israeli land is being revalued by appeasement, appeasement and appeasement. (There are also the as-yet dormant factors of God, God, and God.)

I wouldn't want to write title insurance on any property occupied by the 'Palestinians' just yet.

9 posted on 08/21/2005 7:10:27 AM PDT by Sender (Team Infidel USA)
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Well, for one, the Bible gave that land to the tribe of Judah, and it has been a part of Israel since 400 BC. Biblicaly it is Israel's, not the Muslim invaders property.

From a legal perspective, the land was bought and paid for in a few cases, before Israel even was a Nation. So it is not land that Israel gave to the people, it is land they worked hard for and purchased as abandoned land, built into working farms that provide 20% of Europes fresh produce, and now have had taken from them with 30% compensation for the land value at best and nothing in the majority of cases. All this to placate terrorist who build nothing but kill people for politics.

In short, Israel takes 50% or more income taxes to support an army that did nothing to stop the terrorists that daily shelled the Jews, but used the money instead to take the land from the rightious owners and give it to the murderers.

All this against the vote and mandate of the people to placate the American diplomats that, no surprise today, canceled the problem between Israels military exports.

Can you spell Blackmail kiddies? WE screwed Israel and we have started a war that will be the death of Israel or the death of the Arab League. But, hey, Europe likes us!


10 posted on 08/21/2005 7:55:35 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: beenthere89

Wow. Welcome to Free Republic. Did you join this week just so you could post your anti-Israel invective?


13 posted on 08/21/2005 9:33:31 AM PDT by Piranha
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Wow. Welcome to Free Republic. Did you join this week just so you could post your anti-Israel invective?


14 posted on 08/21/2005 9:33:31 AM PDT by Piranha
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To: American in Israel
But, hey, Europe likes us!

It does? By "us" you mean America, right?

I think Europe hates America whether we support or betray Israel. If we betray Israel Europe merely reaps a bonus of getting what it wants without having to compromise its disdain for the US.

15 posted on 08/21/2005 9:40:35 AM PDT by JCEccles
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Buchanan is antisemitic, not just anti-Israeli, and he barely makes any effort to cover it up.


16 posted on 08/21/2005 10:28:07 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: beenthere89
I realize I may be mistaken about tolerance and diversity on this Board, or perhaps more exactly on this thread.

A couple of fallacies in the above. First, nobody's interfering with anyone's speech: a person can say any antisemitic thing he wants to (generally)--but the others are just as free to respond. But second, this isn't the federal government, so "free speech" as such doesn't apply; it's private property, and the moderators can and do draw some lines.

18 posted on 08/21/2005 11:04:20 AM PDT by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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To: beenthere89
You obviously want to discourage free discussion...

There you go again: on one hand, suggesting that the first amendment has much to do with this situation; on the other, pretending that my voicing an opinion constitutes some sort of restraint of your ability to say what you want. I repeat: you can say anything you want; the rest of us can say anything we want back.

As an aside, note that I carefully did not characterize you as an antisemite, because I don't have nearly enough data. But your response does point that way. I said merely that antisemitic remarks will call down disagreement on this forum; you replied that this is equivalent to muzzling speech. That tends to suggest that yours is an antisemitic viewpoint, since my remarks would not apply if your wish was to discuss football.

20 posted on 08/21/2005 11:27:38 AM PDT by Shalom Israel (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem.)
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