[AliVeritas]

Whoa...the plot thickens.

[TASMANIANRED]

bump

[NonValueAdded]

Actually item #2 is not as inconsistent as Captain Ed believes. While Atta and company might have been in Hamburg and not yet physically in the US, they were transacting heavily with US flight schools and therefore their data was in the US. Since Able Danger was a data mining operation it is not surprising that the email queries were discovered locally and did not necessarily involve an overseas investigation.

[digger48]

If Slade Gordon had shown the fire that he did tonight in defending Gorelick and the Commission, he'd still be a Senator.

He sure acted like someone who'd been caught and called on.

[Eagles6]

"That timeline had Atta arriving for the first time in the US in June 3, 2000, on a flight from Prague to Newark.

Yeah, that Prague. The one where the CIA said that atta didn't meet with the iraqi secret service that the Czechs were tailing.

[Enchante]

The NY Times article today says the 3rd witness to go on record (1st is Col. Schaffer and 2nd is Capt. Philpott) says that Atta's name and photograph were obtained from "contacts in the Middle East" (see below). If true, that would suggest that FIRST they obtained Atta's name from some form of HUMINT operation and THEN fed it into their data-mining software to find other possible terror connections. In any case, Capt. Philpott affirms that they had Atta's name in Feb. 2000, so if the FBI had been allowed to do follow-up there is an excellent chance that the 9/11 plotters could have been foiled.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/22/politics/23cnd-intel.html?hp&ex=1124769600&en=ed47ced9232725eb&ei=5094&partner=homepage&oref=login

"The former contractor, James D. Smith, said that Mr. Atta's name and photograph were obtained through a private researcher in California who was paid to gather the information from contacts in the Middle East. Mr. Smith said that he had retained a copy of the chart for some time and that it had been posted on his office wall at Andrews Air Force Base"

[concerned about politics]

Bump

[technomage]

That timeline had Atta arriving for the first time in the US in June 3, 2000, on a flight from Prague to Newark. However, according to Shaffer, he recalled seeing Atta on a chart as early as spring 2000

Uh, since Spring normally ends aroung June 22-23 each year and they mention a June 3 timeframe, sounds like the same time frame to me!

[Ursus arctos horribilis]

I can smell rotten fish at all levels of the 9-11 commission, the pentagon, state and the Klintoon WH.

CYA only works when one gets away with it, and I think fecal matter is about to roll down hill and settle out in the aforementioned levels.

[TheSpottedOwl]

This is pretty bad.

[Enchante]

Capt. Ed is right about #2 posing a problem for the supposed visa or "green card" status of Atta, but he's assuming that the lawyers blocked the Able Danger folks BEFORE June 2000..... we still don't know the details, but it's quite possible that the Able Danger team was still researching and did not seek to share the info with the FBI until summer or fall of 2000, in which case immigration records would show that Atta was already in the US legally (though that still should never have been a barrier, for rational people, to having a suspected terrorist pursued). Anyway, it's looking to me like #2 is the most likely option, from what we know so far, and that Able Danger had Atta's name in Feb. 2000 (according to Capt. Philpott), before he came to the US. It's also possible he made multiple visits to the US, came under a different identity, etc. The 9/11 Omission seems laughably naive in assuming we know everything we need to know from the official INS records, when terrorists might be quite capable of traveling on forged documents with a false identity.

[concerned about politics]

Bump to read tomarrow.

[JediForce]

Would the lawyers stop Able Danger from speaking to say....oh...I don't know...the...ah...er..SECRET SERVICE?

Wouldn't they have to know about ANY threats that could POSSIBLY put the PRESIDENTS' life in jeopardy?

Maybe that is where the documents are.

JEDI.

[Right_in_Virginia]

BTTT

[Mia T]

bump!

WHY DID BILL CLINTON IGNORE TERRORISM?
Was it simply the constraints of his liberal mindset, or was it something even more threatening to our national security?


Why hillary clinton should never be allowed anywhere near the Oval Office... or any position of power--THE SERIES
REASON 1: MISSUS CLINTON HIRED JAMIE GORELICK

While it is true that The Gorelick Wall was the convenient device of a cowardly self-serving president, The Wall's aiding and abetting of al Qaeda was largely incidental, (the pervasiveness of the clintons' Nobel-Peace-Prize calculus notwithstanding).

The Wall was engineered primarily to protect a corrupt self-serving president. The metastasis of al Qaeda and 9/11 were simply the cost of doing business, clinton-style.

Further confirmation that the Wall was cover for clinton corruption:

• Gorelick's failure to disclose the fact that she authored the memo that was the efficient cause of 911
  
• Gorelick's surreal presence on the 911 commission investigating Gorelick's Justice Department, a maneuver that effectively removes from the universe of witnesses a central witness, Gorelick, even as it uniquely positions a central player, Gorelick, to directly shape the commission's conclusions. (Is there any question which two people are responsible for Gorelick's insertion on the commission?)

Conversely, that it never occurred to anyone on the commission that Gorelick's flagrant conflict of interest renders her presence on the commission beyond farce calls into question the commission's judgment if not its integrity. Washington's mutual protection racket writ large, I suspect....

The Gorelick Wall is consistent with, and an international extension of, two essential acts committed in tandem, Filegate, the simultaneous empowering of the clintons and disemboweling of clinton adversaries, and the clinton Putsch, the firing and replacement of every U.S. attorney extant.

... Once the clintons' own U.S. attorneys were in place, once the opposition was disemboweled by the knowledge that their raw FBI files had been in the possession of the clintons, once domestic law enforcement was effectively blinded to foreign data by Gorelick's Wall, the clintons were free to methodically and seditiously and with impunity auction off America's security, sovereignty and economy to the highest foreign bidder.

(viewing movie requires Flash Player 6, available HERE)

Reverse Gorelick
by Mia T, 4.15.04
QUINN IN THE MORNING (ESSAY DISCUSSED)
(MP3, REAL, WINDOWS MEDIA, WINAMP)

 

[Mia T]

bump!

WHY DID BILL CLINTON IGNORE TERRORISM?
Was it simply the constraints of his liberal mindset, or was it something even more threatening to our national security?


Why hillary clinton should never be allowed anywhere near the Oval Office... or any position of power--THE SERIES
REASON 1: MISSUS CLINTON HIRED JAMIE GORELICK

While it is true that The Gorelick Wall was the convenient device of a cowardly self-serving president, The Wall's aiding and abetting of al Qaeda was largely incidental, (the pervasiveness of the clintons' Nobel-Peace-Prize calculus notwithstanding).

The Wall was engineered primarily to protect a corrupt self-serving president. The metastasis of al Qaeda and 9/11 were simply the cost of doing business, clinton-style.

Further confirmation that the Wall was cover for clinton corruption:

• Gorelick's failure to disclose the fact that she authored the memo that was the efficient cause of 911
  
• Gorelick's surreal presence on the 911 commission investigating Gorelick's Justice Department, a maneuver that effectively removes from the universe of witnesses a central witness, Gorelick, even as it uniquely positions a central player, Gorelick, to directly shape the commission's conclusions. (Is there any question which two people are responsible for Gorelick's insertion on the commission?)

Conversely, that it never occurred to anyone on the commission that Gorelick's flagrant conflict of interest renders her presence on the commission beyond farce calls into question the commission's judgment if not its integrity. Washington's mutual protection racket writ large, I suspect....

The Gorelick Wall is consistent with, and an international extension of, two essential acts committed in tandem, Filegate, the simultaneous empowering of the clintons and disemboweling of clinton adversaries, and the clinton Putsch, the firing and replacement of every U.S. attorney extant.

... Once the clintons' own U.S. attorneys were in place, once the opposition was disemboweled by the knowledge that their raw FBI files had been in the possession of the clintons, once domestic law enforcement was effectively blinded to foreign data by Gorelick's Wall, the clintons were free to methodically and seditiously and with impunity auction off America's security, sovereignty and economy to the highest foreign bidder.

(viewing movie requires Flash Player 6, available HERE)

Reverse Gorelick
by Mia T, 4.15.04
QUINN IN THE MORNING (ESSAY DISCUSSED)
(MP3, REAL, WINDOWS MEDIA, WINAMP)

 

[An.American.Expatriate]

Nice analysis, but still flawed.

Able Danger may well have "identified" Atta & Co as early as Jan/Feb 2000 but only later "confirmed" suspicions and attempted to take the info to the FBI (raw intelligence vs. final product). Thus, Able Danger's initial mining lead them to believe that Atta & Co were "suspicious", but at the time they wanted to approach the FBI, Atta & Co were already here and "Gorelick's Wall" prevented any further investigation.

When you think about it - if this really was "data mining", information regarding Atta & Co was already available in 1999 (and earlier) for it to even be included in the database!! It wasn't until early 2000 that the links started making a picture, and mabe until mid to late 2000 before that picture was coherent enough to warrent action.

[yoswif]

Atta sending an email is proof of his being in Hamburg in March of 2000?

Isn't it possible Able Danger tracked Atta from Germany to Canada where he was picked up and driven to NY and used someone's computer there? Then went back to Canada and flew back Germany just prior to his "official" entry into the U.S. in June. Just like Atta's bus trip from Hamburg to Prague, Atta would have practiced a secret trip if he really did make the unobserved trip to Prague between April 4 2001 and April 11 2001.

[JPJones]

One of the reasons why the 9/11 Commission claim they dismissed the information regarding Able Danger is because the claims made by Col. Tony Shaffer and Captain Scott Phillpott did not match the known travel timeline for Mohammed Atta. That timeline had Atta arriving for the first time in the US in June 3, 2000, on a flight from Prague to Newark.

If Prague to Newark flight is in the 911 commission report, doesn't that verify the Czech gov's assertion that Atta met with Iraqi's in prague.?

[TADSLOS]

Congress needs to act now to do what it should have done itself the first time -- find out what the hell went on before 9/11.

That's easy.