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Punishing Disobedient Wives
Arab News ^ | Tuesday, 23, August, 2005 (18, Rajab, 1426) | Ghada Al-Hori Al-Watan

Posted on 08/24/2005 3:38:13 AM PDT by Salman

I find it unacceptable when some people twist the meaning of a particular verse in the Holy Qur’an — especially the one which permits a husband to beat his disobedient wife. Those who do the twisting must understand that the permission is only given under certain circumstances and that the beating is intended as a remedy for specific situations. It is unfortunate that some well-known and respected Muslim scholars have either willingly or unwillingly joined a campaign seeking to distort the meaning of that particular verse.

In many cases, they have given a different meaning from the one actually intended
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It is quite obvious here that Islam adopts a gradual approach starting with verbal admonishment of the wife, then seeks a period of refraining from conjugal relations and, finally, if the husband finds the situation very serious, he may strike his disobedient wife.
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A rebellious woman who is not moved by kind works, persuasion and admonition is a woman of no feeling and must therefore be punished by beating. Psychiatrists tell us of people, including women, for whom a cure lies in beating.

The controversy over the beating of disloyal and rebellious women is part of the campaign against Islam. If beating disobedient wives was advocated by Western scientists, it would have been widely supported by the same people who criticize Islam and special centers would have been set up all over the world to train husbands on how to beat their wives.

Our scholars should focus on explaining to people, especially the young, the real teachings of Islam in order to avoid causing uncertainty and confusion.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Miscellaneous; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: domesticviolence; islam; muslimwomen; religionofpeace; trop; wives; women
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The bold is my emphasis.
1 posted on 08/24/2005 3:38:14 AM PDT by Salman
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To: Salman

"permission is only given under certain circumstances and that the beating is intended as a remedy for specific situations."

I am glad he cleared that up for me.


2 posted on 08/24/2005 3:40:16 AM PDT by Archidamus (We are wise because we are not so highly educated as to look down on our laws and customs)
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To: Salman

Wow! I'm glad that this guy is taking a more progressive perspective to the whole Islam/wife beating issue (with much sarcasm dripping).


3 posted on 08/24/2005 3:41:39 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: Salman
Ah, disciplining your wife by beating her. The one part of the Koran we can all agree on. (Ducks, runs out of the house slamming the door behind him, jumps in the car and drives several miles away from the pursuing crowd). :-)

a period of refraining from conjugal relations

Seriously, I never found this to be much of a punishment to my wife. This is pretty much proof that Mohammed didn't understand the relationship between men and women at all.

4 posted on 08/24/2005 3:43:13 AM PDT by Hardastarboard
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To: Salman

"Our scholars should focus on explaining to people, especially the young, the real teachings of Islam in order to avoid causing uncertainty and confusion."

I think the rest of the world knows "the real teachings of Islam".


5 posted on 08/24/2005 3:45:08 AM PDT by caver (Yes, I did crawl out of a hole in the ground.)
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To: Salman

And the virus continues its ugly way...


6 posted on 08/24/2005 3:45:17 AM PDT by DB ()
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To: Salman
Moderate Islam= Beat your wife only when necessary. (sarc)
7 posted on 08/24/2005 3:45:33 AM PDT by SIDENET ("You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred")
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To: Salman
Psychiatrists tell us of people, including women, for whom a cure lies in beating.

Geez even their psychiatrists are nuts.

8 posted on 08/24/2005 3:51:35 AM PDT by SouthernFreebird
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To: Hardastarboard
This is pretty much proof that Mohammed didn't understand the relationship between men and women at all.

Well, grown women. Mohammed understood that when you strike a nine year old "wife", they seldom hit back.

9 posted on 08/24/2005 3:53:15 AM PDT by woofer
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To: SouthernFreebird

This has got to be a parody!


10 posted on 08/24/2005 3:54:18 AM PDT by kjo
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To: Salman
It is quite obvious here that Islam adopts a gradual approach starting with verbal admonishment of the wife, then seeks a period of refraining from conjugal relations and, finally, if the husband finds the situation very serious, he may strike his disobedient wife.

I suppose Islam adopts a similarly gradual approach to terrorism. Start with verbal admonishment, then seek a period of refraining from diplomatic relations -- and only then, after you've tried everything else and they just won't listen -- then fly some airplanes into their skyscrapers.

What a shame that some benighted souls so egregiously misunderstand the Holy Qu'ran!

A rebellious woman who is not moved by kind works, persuasion and admonition is a woman of no feeling and must therefore be punished by beating. Psychiatrists tell us of people, including women, for whom a cure lies in beating.

I think there may be some psychiatrists for whom a cure lies in beating.

11 posted on 08/24/2005 3:55:16 AM PDT by TheGhostOfTomPaine
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To: Salman

Didn't Mohammed also advocate sexual contact with minors?

"Beating" ANY human being unless in times of self defense (or defense of others) is debased behavior. Perhaps you should question who it is who advocated to you to "beat (the) wife" instead of questioning those who question your source.

Unless what the point is is that the "wives" pose a threat to a "husband's" "self defense," in which case they are only exerting a self defense in "beating" the "wife."

I'd buy that last part, given that most who use pugalism in interpersonal relationships (at least, of the "beating" proportions), certainly those who engage in violence in interpersonal relationships, most claim that they are victimized by those they "beat."

It seems that Mohammed has written the perfect rationalization for the threatened, cowardly male. Again, I write, perhaps you should question the source. Or question motivations for subjecting oneself to such a source.


12 posted on 08/24/2005 3:57:11 AM PDT by BIRDS
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To: kjo

Appears genuine. Interesting article.


13 posted on 08/24/2005 3:57:40 AM PDT by RobFromGa (Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran-- what are we waiting for?)
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To: kjo

Don't we all wish that it was....

~:-]


14 posted on 08/24/2005 3:58:27 AM PDT by BIRDS
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To: kjo
This has got to be a parody!

Afraid not. It's a real editorial in a Saudi paper.

15 posted on 08/24/2005 3:59:58 AM PDT by Salman
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To: Salman

Any person who feels the need to beat spouse, child, or pet to correct their behavior should live their life alone. (And seek professional help.)


16 posted on 08/24/2005 4:00:02 AM PDT by schwing_wifey (Coffee, Today's Toons, and Flaming Trolls - Yeeeaaaarrrgggggg PDT +9hours)
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To: Salman

HEY, what do you suppose Mohammed would "teach" as to a wife with a license to carry? A wife with personal defenses and self worth in tact? "Beat" her, I'm thinking. Seems about all he could come up with...


17 posted on 08/24/2005 4:00:37 AM PDT by BIRDS
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To: BIRDS

It is never acceptable to beat your wife. Ever.

No loving God would allow it. Clearly he is trying to tell us that Islam, is not a loving god trying to help his children improve the human condition.


18 posted on 08/24/2005 4:00:50 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: Salman
"I always have to beats my Ho when she be misbehavin'"...Rahim.
19 posted on 08/24/2005 4:01:32 AM PDT by Khurkris (Ain't life funny?)
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To: Salman

The foolish author destroys his own argument when he quotes from the Koran ;" And to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct" so a woman can be punished based upon her husbands fear?...what slop!


20 posted on 08/24/2005 4:01:36 AM PDT by JABBERBONK (tHE)
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To: Salman

The best way to end barbarism is to kill the barbarians and then civilize their children.


21 posted on 08/24/2005 4:04:28 AM PDT by MrBambaLaMamba (Buy 'Allah' brand urinal cakes - If you can't kill the enemy at least you can piss on their god)
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To: Salman

I'm Arabic (thank God I'm Christian) and I have a question . . .

Where is the verse about allowing women to beat their husbands?

Islam is no "religion of peace".

I am beginning to doubt if Islam is any REAL religion at all.


22 posted on 08/24/2005 4:05:40 AM PDT by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (Bush's #1 priority Africa. #2 priority appease Fox and Mexico . . . USA priority #64.)
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To: Salman

"A rebellious woman who is not moved by kind works, persuasion and admonition is a woman of no feeling and must therefore be punished by beating."

Who are we going to believe? These guys or our lyin' eyes?

"Kind words" ... "persuasion" ... "admonition" ... like flying airplanes into buildings and killing 3000 innocent men, women and children.

Islam: a religion of lies, fear, violence, terror, lies and more lies.


23 posted on 08/24/2005 4:06:39 AM PDT by manwiththehands
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To: schwing_wifey
>"Any person who feels the need to beat spouse, child, or pet to correct their behavior should live their life alone."

You mean they shouldn't be looked up to as the supreme messenger of gawd? A role model for the best human being ever born?

This would explain the utter failure of the arab race!

*{… As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them [first]. [Next], refuse to share their beds, [And last] beat them [lightly]; but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, Great [Above you all].}* (Surat An-Nisaa’ 4:34)



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24 posted on 08/24/2005 4:09:05 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("If it's brown, drink it down. If it's black send it back." Homer's guide to drinking in Springfield)
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To: Hardastarboard
Yes, refusing conjugal relations with your wife is just playing right into her plan.

I heard they developed a food to eliminate sexual desire in women. It's called wedding cake.

(snare drum shot)

25 posted on 08/24/2005 4:09:25 AM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: Salman; Chieftain

I checked out the link.No parody.

I wonder what reaction I would get if I showed this to a liberal? Oh, never mind.


26 posted on 08/24/2005 4:09:38 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Everything I need to know about Islam I learned on 9-11!)
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To: MrBambaLaMamba

I wonder if we can borrow a few carts from the Russkis.


27 posted on 08/24/2005 4:11:39 AM PDT by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat [Quicquid peius optimo nefas])
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To: Salman
Psychiatrists tell us of people, including women, for whom a cure lies in beating

Over here, we call those people politicians.
28 posted on 08/24/2005 4:12:29 AM PDT by English Nationalist
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To: Salman

These people are sooo 12th Century ago...


29 posted on 08/24/2005 4:21:20 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: woofer

Mohammed was a sex offender.


30 posted on 08/24/2005 4:23:06 AM PDT by Rebelbase ("Run Hillary Run" bumper stickers. Liberals place on rear bumper, conservatives put on front bumper)
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To: Salman
Psychiatrists tell us of people, including women, for whom a cure lies in beating.

This is PURE BULLS$%^! But I do know that the US Marines have it written in their book to kill as many Muslim Terrorists as the day allows and send them to Allah and his Pedophile follower Mohammad. How do you explain the rampant number of pedophiles in the ranks of your clerics? At which point does your teaching permit you to cut off her head? Islam is the religion of Satan, the Anti-Christ! IMHO

31 posted on 08/24/2005 4:25:15 AM PDT by stockpirate (We can fight the Muslim Army in Iraq! Or we can fight them outback! Check my homepage)
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To: Salman

LOL... they really don't have a clue...


32 posted on 08/24/2005 4:25:31 AM PDT by Ronin (When the fox gnaws.... SMILE!!!)
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To: Salman
"...special centers would have been set up all over the world to train husbands on how to beat their wives."

ooookey-dokey

"Our scholars should focus on explaining to people, especially the young, the real teachings of Islam in order to avoid causing uncertainty and confusion."

I was thinking that very thing myself.

33 posted on 08/24/2005 4:27:40 AM PDT by mitch5501 (by the grace of God,I am what I am)
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To: Archidamus
"permission is only given under certain circumstances and that the beating is intended as a remedy for specific situations."

Translation: "Whenever he wants to."

The hypocrisy of the liberals rejecting Christianity and embracing Islam is so think you can cut it with a knife.

Every time some idiot like Sheehan opens her pie-hole she tells things exactly the opposite of what they are. Just consider that she can live a peaceful life here, but they would stone her in about six seconds in the places she so adores.

34 posted on 08/24/2005 4:31:12 AM PDT by hopespringseternal (</i>)
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To: Ronin
Shame on the West for mis-interpreting the Qu'ran!

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35 posted on 08/24/2005 4:33:38 AM PDT by mentor2k
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To: stockpirate
Psychiatrists tell us of people, including women, for whom a cure lies in beating.

This is PURE BULLS$%^! ...

Not necessarily. There may be Saudi "psychiatrists".

36 posted on 08/24/2005 4:34:49 AM PDT by Salman
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To: Salman

Maybe a better word in the translation is "spanking"? </sarc>


37 posted on 08/24/2005 4:35:47 AM PDT by Lord Basil (Hate isn't a family value; it's a liberal one.)
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To: Hardastarboard
This is pretty much proof that Mohammed didn't understand the relationship between men and women at all.

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He was conning his dimwitted followers.

"What, you mean your wife doesn't find that to be a punishment? What's wrong with you?"

In actual fact, since he had more wives than the bag limit of four he set for his followers this wasn't a problem.

I've read interviews with polygamous Mormons. When asked about this, they said more or less, "Well, one or more of them isn't mad at me at any one time, so I can ignore the ones that are mad with me until they get over it."
38 posted on 08/24/2005 4:37:57 AM PDT by Cheburashka
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To: Salman

Mohammad=beat your wives
New Testament of the Bible= Husbands love your wives even as Christ so loved the church.

I think I'll go with the second one.


39 posted on 08/24/2005 4:40:22 AM PDT by EmilyGeiger
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To: Salman

At the university, we have to tell faculty from certain regions that they can be sent to jail for beating their wives. Most of the time, they are incredulous.


40 posted on 08/24/2005 4:41:19 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: edcoil; All
Related:

Ask the Imam -- Is it OK to have SEX with my SLAVES (slavery is A-OK with Islam!)

41 posted on 08/24/2005 4:44:49 AM PDT by Shazbot29 (Light a man a fire, he'll be warm for a day; light him on fire, he'll be warm the rest of his life)
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To: rawcatslyentist

On what basis does the author insert the word "lightly?" Is there a nuance of the Arabic language that's in there, or is he just making that up?


42 posted on 08/24/2005 4:45:14 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Salman
A rebellious woman who is not moved by kind works, persuasion and admonition is a woman of no feeling and must therefore be punished by beating.

Exactly!! How could we have misinterpreted the Koran so badly!!

43 posted on 08/24/2005 4:48:01 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: rawcatslyentist
This would explain the utter failure of the arab race!

Personally, I think its only a matter of time before education and human rights puts an end to them. What smart woman would want to breed with them?

[Next],refuse to share their beds

;D
44 posted on 08/24/2005 4:48:17 AM PDT by schwing_wifey (Coffee, Today's Toons, and Flaming Trolls - Yeeeaaaarrrgggggg PDT +9hours)
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To: Salman
If beating disobedient wives was advocated by Western scientists, it would have been widely supported by the same people who criticize Islam

This guy never heard of Newton's 1st law of wife beating? This is a great illustration of how different is their "thought" process.

45 posted on 08/24/2005 4:49:04 AM PDT by Stentor
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To: Salman
I find it unacceptable when some people twist the meaning of a particular verse in the Holy Qur’an

Once again, Islam can never be understood, and our interpretations are always wrong.

46 posted on 08/24/2005 4:50:44 AM PDT by montag813
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To: edcoil

Yes, I completely agree with you. I was earlier suggesting it would be 'nice' if this was parody, that we'd all prefer that it was, but, sadly, it is not. I agree as to what you write about Islam, also.


47 posted on 08/24/2005 4:52:40 AM PDT by BIRDS
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To: Salman

What about ex-wives????


48 posted on 08/24/2005 4:57:41 AM PDT by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: Salman
some people twist the meaning of a particular verse in the Holy Qur’an

[4.34] Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

Not much twisting is needed.

49 posted on 08/24/2005 4:59:46 AM PDT by Jeff Gordon (Recall Barbara Boxer)
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To: Salman
As a rule of thumb beating up on someone who you may be counting on to resist the temptation to poison your food or cut your throat in your sleep doesn't seem to be a wise policy.
50 posted on 08/24/2005 5:05:12 AM PDT by katana
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