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Boeing, BAE Systems Team for U.S. Air Force B-52 Stand-Off Jammer Proposal
Boeing.com ^ | August 29, 2005 | Staff

Posted on 08/29/2005 12:37:20 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative

St. Louis, August 29, 2005 -- Boeing [NYSE:BA] and BAE Systems have combined their B-52 and electronic warfare expertise to offer the U.S. Air Force a highly qualified team to execute the B-52 Stand-Off Jammer (SOJ) program.

"It takes a highly experienced electronic warfare integrator, along with the B-52 platform expert to deliver the maximum benefits of an effects-based, electronic attack capability," said Pat Finneran, vice president and general manager of Boeing's Logistics Support Systems. "The Boeing/BAE Systems team provides both. We have the vision and capability to deliver multi-platform electronic combat battle management for the Air Force's Airborne Electronic Attack (AEA) system of systems."

"Our team will leverage experience from major development and integration responsibilities on all key AEA programs," said Mike Heffron, president of BAE Systems' Information Warfare line of business.

The Air Force plans to make the B-52 an integral part of its AEA plan, by fitting the aircraft with simultaneous jamming, decoy and strike capabilities. The Air Force is expected to award the pre-System Development and Demonstration contract this fall. The B-52 SOJ program is estimated to be fully operational by 2012.

Finneran and Heffron detailed several distinct advantages of the Boeing/BAE Systems' best value solution for the war fighter: The team's electronic battle management and multi-vehicle command and control algorithms and software, which are also supporting all teams for the E-10A and Joint-Unmanned Combat Air Systems (J-UCAS), provide a highly leveraged, cost effective integrated electronic warfare node within the AEA System of Systems. The system will counter the integrated air defense systems of today, enabling the Air Force's Information Dominance vision. The team's direct involvement on other major electronic warfare development programs like the B-52, EA-18G, J-UCAS, Compass Call, F/A-22, and F-35 ensures in-depth understanding of the evolving Airborne Electronic Attack concept of operations, warfighter needs, and B-52H SOJ mission expectations. The team understands relevant technologies such as networking electronic attack, electronic surveillance and data distribution. The team's modular, scalable approach is tailored for B-52 SOJ requirements.

The Boeing/BAE Systems solution provides integrated receivers, jamming pods with pre-emptive and selective reactive jamming techniques, and mission-management software for the Stand-Off Jammer mission. The team's approach will meet the customer's needs on four critical interfaces: Stand-off jammer system integration; systems integration on the B-52 platform; addressing the human/crew interface and, ultimately, successful integration within the Air Force's AEA systems of systems. It will be achieved without degrading current weapons carriage capability.

BAE Systems is an international company engaged in the development, delivery, and support of advanced defense and aerospace systems in the air, on land, at sea, and in space. The company designs, manufactures, and supports military aircraft, combat vehicles, surface ships, submarines, radar, avionics, communications, electronics, and guided weapon systems. It is a pioneer in technology with a heritage stretching back hundreds of years and is at the forefront of innovation, working to develop the next generation of intelligent defense systems. BAE Systems has major operations across five continents and customers in some 130 countries. The company employs nearly 100,000 people and generates annual sales of approximately $25 billion through its wholly owned and joint-venture operations.

A unit of The Boeing Company, Boeing Integrated Defense Systems is one of the world's largest space and defense businesses. Headquartered in St. Louis, Boeing Integrated Defense Systems is a $30.5 billion business. It provides network-centric system solutions to its global military, government, and commercial customers. It is a leading provider of intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance systems; the world's largest military aircraft manufacturer; the world's largest satellite manufacturer and a leading provider of space-based communications; the primary systems integrator for U.S. missile defense; NASA's largest contractor; and a global leader in sustainment solutions and launch services.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government
KEYWORDS: b52; b52h; electronicwarfare; military
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1 posted on 08/29/2005 12:37:25 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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2 posted on 08/29/2005 12:38:18 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Installed in 2012? Hasn't the B-52 set a world record for longest airplane in continuous military service yet? At this rate, it could go for 100 years total.


3 posted on 08/29/2005 12:43:26 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Paleo Conservative
Why turn a BUFF into a standoff jammer? There must be many other more cost effective airframes to do this with, including de-mothballing the EF-111A.


4 posted on 08/29/2005 12:45:23 PM PDT by Yo-Yo
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BAE bump


5 posted on 08/29/2005 12:52:43 PM PDT by whd23
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To: Yo-Yo
Why turn a BUFF into a standoff jammer? There must be many other more cost effective airframes to do this with, including de-mothballing the EF-111A.

They don't have the range of the B-52. These jamming aircraft in some cases will fly along side B-52 strik missions. By having an EB-52H, the flight characteristics of the jamming plane will be the same as for the bombers so there won't be a problem with it being too fast or too slow and not being able to stay with the bombers. Too bad the USAF won't take some B-52G's restore them to flying condition, reengine them, and put the jamming electronics in them.

6 posted on 08/29/2005 1:00:16 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: Yo-Yo
I tend to agree. The B-52 is slow and leaves a huge radar signature. Its engines are obsolete, inefficient and no longer in production. Replacement engines must be scavenged from the Arizona desert and rebuilt, and how many are left?

Its saving grace is its huge weapons bay - it can lay a carpet of dumb bombs or loose an armada of stand-off missiles. If we don't need it for that, we don't need it at all anymore.

The AF has several EW aircraft in inventory, why not use them?

7 posted on 08/29/2005 1:01:55 PM PDT by ZOOKER ( <== I'm with Stupid...)
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To: Yo-Yo

Why ? Power and "legs". With the Bomb Bay freed up, as well as a sizeable part of the Bomb/Nav compartment, you can stuff a LOT of ECM gear. And as is today, the B-52 is capable of putting out over a megawatt of jamming power. Imagine what it could do with upgrades. . .

Now, add the huge fuel tanks of a -52 . . .and you have a standoff jammer you can send ANYWHERE on the planet from a US Base. . .non-stop.

Hello, EB-52 "Megafortress". . . .

Now, if they'd only put a real toilet in the jet. . . they've been PROMISING it since 1956. . . .


8 posted on 08/29/2005 1:02:57 PM PDT by Salgak (Acme Lasers presents: The Energizer Border: I dare you to try and cross it. . .)
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I tend to agree. The B-52 is slow and leaves a huge radar signature. Its engines are obsolete, inefficient and no longer in production. Replacement engines must be scavenged from the Arizona desert and rebuilt, and how many are left?

There are huge numbers of TF-33 turbofan engines in storage. Besides the B-52H, they are used on the KC-135E and the C-141. Since the C-141's are rapidly being decommissioned, there are lots of engines available.

9 posted on 08/29/2005 1:12:28 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: Yo-Yo

The B-52 is already a great standoff jammer (if need be).


10 posted on 08/29/2005 1:37:56 PM PDT by Sparky1776
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To: Paleo Conservative
B-52 Airframes should be used for bombing.

I thought a "stand off jammer" (SOJ), did not go in with the strike package. It loiters at a safer distance, detects and evaluates radar threats then uses AECM against those threats.

I'm surprised Boeing is not looking at a 707, 737, etc. airframe. That would give the Air Force the equipment capacity, range, and longevity they need.
11 posted on 08/29/2005 1:53:56 PM PDT by ryan71 (Speak softly and carry a BIG STICK)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Here is a nickname for ( SOJ ) Stand - O - Jamma (or ) Stand - O - Jammer ( weapons, radar and communications jammer ).


12 posted on 08/29/2005 2:00:03 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: ryan71
B-52 Airframes should be used for bombing.

I thought a "stand off jammer" (SOJ), did not go in with the strike package. It loiters at a safer distance, detects and evaluates radar threats then uses AECM against those threats.

But going to and from the target area, they need to be able to stay with the bombers. The 767 is a slower plane than the B-52. It's a lot cheaper to convert a B-52 that's already paid for to use as a jammer than to buy a new commercial airframe. If the number of airframes available for bombing duties is a problem, some of the B-52G's could be refurbished to serve as as electronic warfare platforms.

13 posted on 08/29/2005 2:09:05 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: Paleo Conservative
If they go through the trouble (and expense) of refurbishing a B-52, it needs to carry bombs. Would you refurbish an Iowa BB to be an oiler?

I don't believe a B-52 is faster than a com air. Is a B-52 supersonic? Nope.

Besides, a SOJ does not have to be stationed with or fly wing tip to wing tip with the bomber.
14 posted on 08/29/2005 2:20:47 PM PDT by ryan71 (Speak softly and carry a BIG STICK)
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To: Paleo Conservative
Too bad the USAF won't take some B-52G's restore them to flying condition, reengine them, and put the jamming electronics in them.

Unfortunately, the G-models that still survive have a date with the Davis-Monthan AFB "aircraft chopper", due to START treaty requirements.

15 posted on 08/29/2005 2:21:13 PM PDT by JRios1968 (We're no longer the "Knights Who Say Ni")
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To: antiRepublicrat
It means, it will be in operational service in 2012 on all of the B-52s ( but, we can only guess, that if they can get their hands on a few operational units, they will use them as soon as they can if they were to go to war ) , and yes, the B-52 has the longest continuous service life of any airplane in the world.
The air force expects to keep them in service until 2045.
I was just watching a program about the B-52 last week on the History Channel on ( Modern Marvels ) it's amazing aircraft, and history.
Boeing meet with a Air force representative in ( I think, 1948 or 49 ) and the air force representative was not happy with the proposal that Boeing first offered.
The Air force representative told them they had just 2 days to come us with some kind of proposal that the US military and air force wanted and was happy with.
So the 4 man team from Boeing rented a hotel room, and spent 48 hours coming up with some kind of proposal.
While 2 men from the Boeing team sat in the hotel room working on the drawings for the new heavy bomber, they didn't notice that the other 2 men went out some were and then came back with some balsa wood from a hobby shop near by and started to weddle the balsa wood into some kind of form of a plane ( in the show ( Modern Marvels ) they said the man who made who sculpted planes out of wood was the best in the world at the time ).
They managed to come of with a design of a very heavy bomber for the US air force that they were happy with.
It is a very interesting story how they ( Boeing ) came us with the design of the B-52.
16 posted on 08/29/2005 2:23:19 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: ryan71
If they go through the trouble (and expense) of refurbishing a B-52, it needs to carry bombs.

Many of the B-52H's are being modified to drop JDAM's. With the ability to destroy large numbers of targets with one sortie, the effectiveness of each bomber is much greater than it was 10-15 years ago. The airframes are expected to last till at least 2045, and the cost to configure already paid for B-52's is a lot less than buying a new airframe for the mission.

17 posted on 08/29/2005 2:29:07 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: Paleo Conservative
And the man who they interviewed on Modern Marvels said, that the B-52 was one ( if not , THE ONE ) of the most cost effective, and best value programs the US tax payers got for their money, the best Bang for the Buck.
18 posted on 08/29/2005 2:43:31 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: ZOOKER; Rivendell
tend to agree. The B-52 is slow and leaves a huge radar signature. Its engines are obsolete, inefficient and no longer in production.

They sure look intimidating when they're coming at you.

Served at K.I. Sawyer back in the 70's, and we loved to watch them do touch and goes.

The sound of Freedom never sounded better!

19 posted on 08/29/2005 2:44:51 PM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier { Wisc. })
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To: Paleo Conservative
Good link to the TR-33 Here.

Didn't know it's related to the famous J57.

20 posted on 08/29/2005 3:26:22 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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