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To: ladyinred
We are assuming that it was during the Clinton adinistration. [Most likely was]

Let's go back just a bit. Let's look at it another way.
Remember President Bush got off to a very late start. Clinton held the keys to the offices that had been prepared for the new President.

I recall that Vise President Che any had to arrange for offices. the republicans had to rent them, provide desks, computers, telephones etc,etc,

Now to the clincher, if I remember correctly the new administration was working WITH the left over administration appointments. Very few had been changed and even Bush's appointments were being held up for one reason or the other.

Even the military was still filled with so many of the personal Clinton had promoted [probably still are]

Tennet and [can't spell his name] the F.B.I. director was a hold over.

I just happened to think it might be there were people in the government that were deliberately trying to put a "monkey wrench" in the workings of the new administration.

I'm probably just having some wild thoughts.
123 posted on 08/29/2005 6:52:42 PM PDT by frannie (Be not afraid of tomorrow - God is already there!)
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To: frannie

My thoughts to. This could have happened in the early months of the Bush admistration. Could be some left over Clintonites were getting a little nervous and decided to destroy some evidence. Of course the MSM will spin it differently.


149 posted on 08/29/2005 6:59:02 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: frannie

One of the witnesses said ABLE DANGER was shut down in Feb. 2001. Technically, that was early in the Bush administration, so the MSM (when they are forced to report this story) will try to portray it as a Bush administration action, as will the Demagogues Howie Dean, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, etc. HOWEVER, it becomes clear when you review what's known of the history of the program that the controvery over the results of AD grew up in 2000, not 2001, due to unnamed "Pentagon lawyers" worried about legal issues. Lurking in the background is CHINAGATE, since the lawyers were worried about info collected on possible Chinese espionage -- names of US citizens were coming up on the searches.... but that is just a smokescreen for the fact that the Clintonlites discovered that a lot of embarrassing and ILLEGAL actitivies could be brought to light by investigations following up on the results of AD searches for info on China (AD didn't only work on Al Qaeda and terrorism issues).


154 posted on 08/29/2005 6:59:21 PM PDT by Enchante
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To: frannie

I remember reading here about an early meeting that took place shortly after Bush took office of some of the (then) new State Department employees. Jamie Gorelick walked in and sat down, and one of the stunned new people whispered to the person sitting next to her, "What is SHE doing here?"

I will search the archives and see if I can dig that old story up.


160 posted on 08/29/2005 6:59:42 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: frannie

From what I understand, Able Danger was a computer program that gathered data from many different sources and tried to tie the information all together. One thing that it apparently did was connect Clinton with China. It was able to put together dates,names, times, money, etc.


181 posted on 08/29/2005 7:04:41 PM PDT by MarkeyD (Cindy - The new 'C' word! I really, really loathe liberals.)
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To: frannie
Now to the clincher, if I remember correctly the new administration was working WITH the left over administration appointments. Very few had been changed and even Bush's appointments were being held up for one reason or the other. Even the military was still filled with so many of the personal Clinton had promoted [probably still are] Tennet and [can't spell his name] the F.B.I. director was a hold over. I just happened to think it might be there were people in the government that were deliberately trying to put a "monkey wrench" in the workings of the new administration. I'm probably just having some wild thoughts.

I have always thought this! Common sense would dictate this! but for some reason I have never heard this point before.

337 posted on 08/29/2005 8:08:35 PM PDT by RushCrush (What Would Casey Want?)
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To: frannie

You are correct...as I explained to someone earlier who said AD was shut down in Feb 2001, only Rummy had been confirmed at that point and barely had the key to the executive washroom, much less enough info to make a decision to close down AD.

BUSH APPOINTEE CONFIRMATION LIST

DEFENSE:

Donald Rumsfeld Secretary of Defense 01/20/2001
Paul Wolfowitz Deputy Secretary 02/28/2001
Dov Zakheim Undersecretary, Comptroller 05/01/2001
Edward Aldridge Undersecretary for Acquisition, Technology and Logistics 05/08/2001
William James Haynes General Counsel 05/17/2001
Victoria Clarke Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs 05/17/2001
Powell A. Moore Assistant Secretary for Legislative Affairs 05/01/2001
Charles S. Abell Assistant Secretary for Force Management 05/03/2001
David S.C. Chu Undersecretary for Personnel and Readiness 05/26/2001
Douglas J. Feith Undersecretary for Policy 07/12/2001
Jack Dyer Crouch II Assistant Secretary for International Security Policy 08/01/2001
Stephen A. Cambone Principal Deputy Undersecretary for Policy 07/19/2001
James G. Roche Secretary of the Air Force 05/24/2001
Thomas White Secretary of the Army 05/24/2001
Gordon England Secretary of the Navy 05/22/2001
Susan Morrisey LivingstoneUndersecretary of the Navy 07/19/2001
Peter W. Rodman Assistant Secretary for International Security Affairs 07/12/2001
Marvin Sambur Assistant Secretary for Acquisition, Research and Development (Air Force) 11/08/2001
Alberto Jose Mora General Counsel, Navy 07/19/2001
Michael Montelongo Assistant Secretary for Financial Management and Comptroller, Air Force 07/12/2001
Steven John Morello, Sr. General Counsel, Army 07/12/2001
Thomas P. Christie Director, Operational Test and Evaluation 07/12/2001
Dionel M. Aviles Assistant Secretary for Financial Management & Comptroller, Navy 07/12/2001
Michael W. Wynne Deputy Undersecretary for Acquisition and Technology 07/12/2001
Diane K. Morales Deputy Undersecretary for Logistics and Material Readiness 07/12/2001
William A. Navas, Jr. Assistant Secretary for Manpower & Reserve Affairs, Navy 07/12/2001
Michael Parker Assistant Secretary for Civil Works, Army 09/26/2001
Reginald Jude Brown Assistant Secretary for Manpower & Reserve Affairs, Army 07/12/2001
John Stenbit Assistant Secretary for Command, Control, Communications & Intelligence 08/03/2001
Ronald M. Sega Director, Defense Research and Engineering 08/03/2001
John J. Young, Jr. Assistant Secretary for Research, Development & Acquisition, Navy 07/12/2001
Joseph E. Schmitz Inspector General 03/21/2002
Michael L. Dominguez Assistant Secretary for Manpower, Reserve Affairs, Installations & Environment, Air Force 08/03/2001
Nelson F. Gibbs Assistant Secretary for Installations & Environment, Air Force 08/03/2001
H.T. Johnson Assistant Secretary (Navy) for Installations & Environment 08/03/2001
Mario P. Fiori Assistant Secretary (Army) for Installations & Environment 08/03/2001
Sandra L. Pack Assistant Secretary (Army) for Financial Management & Comptroller 11/08/2001
William Winkenwerder, Jr. Assistant Secretary for Health Affairs 10/16/2001
Mary L. Walker General Counsel, Air Force 11/08/2001
Claude M. Bolton, Jr. Assistant Secretary for Acquisition, Logistics & Technology, Army 12/20/2001
Dale Klein Assistant to the Secretary for Nuclear and Chemical and Biological Defense Programs 11/08/2001
Peter B. Teets Undersecretary of the Air Force 12/07/2001
R. L. Brownlee Undersecretary of the Army 11/08/2001
Thomas Forrest Hall Assistant Secretary for Reserve Affairs 10/02/2002
Charles S. Abell Deputy Under Secretary for Personnel and Readiness 11/12/2002


724 posted on 08/30/2005 6:13:43 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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