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1 posted on 08/31/2005 9:03:26 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch
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Why does this not surprise me? The DemRats always try to exploit a tragedy for political gain. What slugs!
2 posted on 08/31/2005 9:05:01 PM PDT by Sprite518
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Time to change Frank Lautenberg's diaper!


3 posted on 08/31/2005 9:05:03 PM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken (Seldom right, but never in doubt.)
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Dimwit low lifes.


4 posted on 08/31/2005 9:05:20 PM PDT by peyton randolph (Warning! It is illegal to fatwah a camel in all 50 states)
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IT WILL BITE DEMOCRATS IN THE @SS.

SEEMS THEY ARE SCREAMING THIS BECAUSE IT APPEARS MOST OF THE VICTIMS ARE BLACK AND HILLARY AND HER DEMOCRATS MUST THINK THEY ARE ALL STUPID AND IS APPEALING FOR THEM TO CAST BLAME.


6 posted on 08/31/2005 9:10:04 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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I wish I could say what I'd like to do to the leftists in this Nation, but I'd get banned.


7 posted on 08/31/2005 9:10:17 PM PDT by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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Dems Blame Bush Tax Cuts for Flooding

The usual suspects.

RFK jr, Blumenthal, Lautenberg, Hugo Chavez.....

8 posted on 08/31/2005 9:14:08 PM PDT by Reagan Man (Secure the borders;punish employers who hire illegals;halt all welfare handouts to illegals.)
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Democrats blame Bush for everything. I think it's a deep-rooted psychological problem.


9 posted on 08/31/2005 9:18:44 PM PDT by Prime Choice (E=mc^3. Don't drink and derive.)
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I've been gearing this all day, and it's disgusting. For those who would blame George W. Bush, I have the following questions:

1. It's been known for decades that the New Orleans levees could only survive a catagory 3 hurricane. What did previous Democrat administrations (and and the democrat- controlled Congress) do about it in those decades?
2. Weather experts have been saying since 1996/1997 (during the Clinton Administration) that the North Atlantic/Caribbean has entered a much more active phase (which occurs naturally in cycles, and is expected to last decades)and much more violent hurricanes were predicted throughout the region. Why wasn't it done then. And don't try to tell me that Clinton was proccupied with attacks from the vast right wing conspiricy. GWB has been dealing with attacks from the much-more-evident vast left wing conspiricy since BEFORE DAY ONE.
3. Knowing all this, why did the state and city not do anything? (maybe, in fairness, because it is the perview of the Army Corps of Engineers?).

I'm SICK AND TIRED of GWB and his administration being blamed for negligence and failures of the Clinton/Carter Administrations.

I've tried to research these questions, but trying to get anyting on New Orleans these past couple of days is impossible. I would appreciate and welcome any comments or evidence of negligence prior to GWB taking office.

Having said that, if there is nothing (which I doubt), then the Bush Administration derserves the criticism it gets on this issue.


10 posted on 08/31/2005 9:19:01 PM PDT by Conservative Canuck (The Voice of One Crying in the Wilderness)
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I work with nitwits who actually do not dispute my statement that "George W Bush caused the hurricane to raise your gas prices".

I kid you not, and there were five of them. It scares the $hit out of me to live and work with people that are so removed from any semblance of reality.

FWIW I am from Massachusetts.
11 posted on 08/31/2005 9:19:03 PM PDT by mmercier (better to burn out than fade away)
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Someone already pointed out here somewhere on the site that Clinton denied money to the Army Corp when they requested money to make the N.O. levies able to withstand a cat 5 hurricane.


13 posted on 08/31/2005 9:27:53 PM PDT by Uncle Donuts (The sooner I can leave N. Va., the better.)
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Writing in Der Speigel

Oh, the irony!

"A year ago the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers proposed to study how New Orleans could be protected from a catastrophic hurricane, but the Bush administration ordered that the research not be undertaken."

So, Sidney is saying that the FIRST time anybody ever looked into whether New Orleans could be protected for a hurricane was in 2004?

Sen. Frank Lautenberg complained to the AP that the White House should have had troops and supplies on the ground in New Orleans on Monday. "President Bush's wake-up call came awfully late," he groused.

A demonstrable lie:

Bush Declares Emergency in Louisiana

The Associated Press
Saturday, August 27, 2005; 8:08 PM

CRAWFORD, Texas -- President Bush declared a state of emergency in Louisiana on Saturday because of the approach of Hurricane Katrina and his spokesman urged residents along the coast to heed authorities' advice to evacuate.

Bush, vacationing at his ranch, was being regularly updated about the storm, which is expected to hit land early Monday, White House spokesman Scott McClellan said.

Officials from the Federal Emergency Management Agency continue to coordinate with state authorities in Florida, Mississippi, Louisiana and Alabama, and have prepositioned supplies in areas expected to be affected, he said.

The president's emergency declaration authorizes the FEMA to coordinate all disaster relief efforts and to provide appropriate assistance in a number of Louisiana parishes, or counties.

Authorities told residents of low-lying coastal communities to head for higher ground. The storm was expected to strengthen as it crosses the Gulf of Mexico and could become a Category 4 hurricane with wind of at least 131 mph.

"We urge residents in the areas that could be impacted to follow the recommendations of local authorities," McClellan said.

14 posted on 08/31/2005 9:33:21 PM PDT by Howlin (Have you check in on this thread: FYI: Hurricane Katrina Freeper SIGN IN Thread)
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Well ok, the dems want to play the blame game. So where were they? Why didn't they act? Why didn't the dems figure the funding for this in with all the other great big giant pork packages they stuffed the last couple of years budgets full off?

They want to blame it on President Bush's tax cuts? Then why stuff the last couple of budget's soooo full of pork that they were the all time biggest amount of pork projects ever?

Gee, maybe if they hadn't had all those pork projects other things wouldn't have had to be cut. Hmmmmm


15 posted on 08/31/2005 9:39:29 PM PDT by GloriaJane (http://music.download.com/gloriajane "Baseball Apple Pie And Mom")
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Stinking demoRAT city and state government in Louisiana didn't want to spend any of THEIR precious tax dollars to deal with the problem. They knew that when all hell broke loose they could stick out their grimy hands and have the feds (us) pay for everything.

Same thing in Atlanta with their crumbling sewer system. One RAT mayor to the next will pass it on until a 30 story building falls over into a gigantic sink hole and then they'll stick that classic demoRAT hand out. "Gimme dat. Gimme dat."

demoRAT New York did it with the subway system back in the seventies. Classic strategy.


16 posted on 08/31/2005 9:41:13 PM PDT by noblejones
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Explains it all.

18 posted on 08/31/2005 9:45:09 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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There is nothing too tragic for these ghouls to try to twist for sordid political gain. Nothing.


21 posted on 08/31/2005 9:46:36 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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The real maggot-infested nitwit in this whole DemocRAT fiasco is Bobby Kennedy's retarded kid. He's saying that the hurricane was caused because President Bush wouldn't sign his Commie Comrades' Coyote Protocol. Somebody needs to tell the Kennedys that their day has come and gone. America is tired of their big mouths.


22 posted on 08/31/2005 9:47:20 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (We did not lose in Vietnam. We left.)
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Uh, does anyone know if the charges made in E&P and by Blumenthal are true? It'd be nice to have sources to debunk them if they are not, and to prepare damage control if they are.
24 posted on 08/31/2005 9:49:59 PM PDT by Politicalities (http://www.politicalities.com)
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Another study was not needed to know that if the big one hit, NO was history, and most remaining would die. This was not the big one. All we lost was NO, rather than a horrific body count. As it is the body count will be in the thousands.


25 posted on 08/31/2005 9:51:39 PM PDT by Torie
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2001

New Orleans faces doomsday scenario
Houston Chronicle ^ | December 1, 2001 | ERIC BERGER
Posted on 12/01/2001 11:17:03 AM EST by Dog Gone
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KEEPING ITS HEAD ABOVE WATER

New Orleans faces doomsday scenario

New Orleans is sinking.

And its main buffer from a hurricane, the protective Mississippi River delta, is quickly eroding away, leaving the historic city perilously close to disaster.

So vulnerable, in fact, that earlier this year the Federal Emergency Management Agency ranked the potential damage to New Orleans as among the three likeliest, most castastrophic disasters facing this country.

The other two? A massive earthquake in San Francisco, and, almost prophetically, a terrorist attack on New York City.

The New Orleans hurricane scenario may be the deadliest of all.

In the face of an approaching storm, scientists say, the city's less-than-adequate evacuation routes would strand 250,000 people or more, and probably kill one of 10 left behind as the city drowned under 20 feet of water. Thousands of refugees could land in Houston.

Economically, the toll would be shattering.

Southern Louisiana produces one-third of the country's seafood, one-fifth of its oil and one-quarter of its natural gas. The city's tourism, lifeblood of the French Quarter, would cease to exist. The Big Easy might never recover.

And, given New Orleans' precarious perch, some academics wonder if it should be rebuilt at all.

It's been 36 years since Hurricane Betsy buried New Orleans 8 feet deep. Since then a deteriorating ecosystem and increased development have left the city in an ever more precarious position.

Yet the problem went unaddressed for decades by a laissez-faire government, experts said.

"To some extent, I think we've been lulled to sleep," said Marc Levitan, director of Louisiana State University's hurricane center.

Hurricane season ended Friday, and for the second straight year no hurricanes hit the United States. But the season nonetheless continued a long-term trend of more active seasons, forecasters said. Tropical Storm Allison became this country's most destructive tropical storm ever.

Yet despite the damage Allison wrought upon Houston, dropping more than 3 feet of water in some areas, a few days later much of the city returned to normal as bloated bayous drained into the Gulf of Mexico.

The same storm dumped a mere 5 inches on New Orleans, nearly overwhelming the city's pump system. If an Allison-type storm were to strike New Orleans, or a Category 3 storm or greater with at least 111 mph winds, the results would be cataclysmic, New Orleans planners said.

"Any significant water that comes into this city is a dangerous threat," Walter Maestri, Jefferson Parish emergency management director, told Scientific American for an October article.

"Even though I have to plan for it, I don't even want to think about the loss of life a huge hurricane would cause."

New Orleans is essentially a bowl ringed by levees that protect the city from the Mississippi River to its south and Lake Pontchartrain to the north. The bottom of the bowl is 14 feet below sea level, and efforts to keep it dry are only digging a deeper hole.

During routine rainfalls the city's dozens of pumps push water uphill into the lake. This, in turn, draws water from the ground, further drying the ground and sinking it deeper, a problem known as subsidence.

This problem also faces Houston as water wells have sucked the ground dry. Houston's solution is a plan to convert to surface drinking water. For New Orleans, eliminating pumping during a rainfall is not an option, so the city continues to sink.

A big storm, scientists said, would likely block four of five evacuation routes long before it hit. Those left behind would have no power or transportation, and little food or medicine, and no prospects for a return to normal any time soon.

"The bowl would be full," Levitan said. "There's simply no place for the water to drain."

Estimates for pumping the city dry after a huge storm vary from six to 16 weeks. Hundreds of thousands would be homeless, their residences destroyed.

The only solution, scientists, politicians and other Louisiana officials agree, is to take large-scale steps to minimize the risks, such as rebuilding the protective delta.

Every two miles of marsh between New Orleans and the Gulf reduces a storm surge -- which in some cases is 20 feet or higher -- by half a foot.

In 1990, the Breaux Act, named for its author, Sen. John Breaux, D-La., created a task force of several federal agencies to address the severe wetlands loss in coastal Louisiana. The act has brought about $40 million a year for wetland restoration projects, but it hasn't been enough.

"It's kind of been like trying to give aspirin to a cancer patient," said Len Bahr, director of Louisiana Gov. Mike Foster's coastal activities office.

The state loses about 25 square miles of land a year, the equivalent of about one football field every 15 minutes. The fishing industry, without marshes, swamps and fertile wetlands, could lose a projected $37 billion by the year 2050.

University of New Orleans researchers studied the impact of Breaux Act projects on the vanishing wetlands and estimated that only 2 percent of the loss has been averted. Clearly, Bahr said, there is a need for something much bigger. There is some evidence this finally may be happening.

A consortium of local, state and federal agencies is studying a $2 billion to $3 billion plan to divert sediment from the Mississippi River back into the delta. Because the river is leveed all the way to the Gulf, where sediment is dumped into deep water, nothing is left to replenish the receding delta.

Other possible projects include restoration of barrier reefs and perhaps a large gate to prevent Lake Pontchartrain from overflowing and drowning the city.

All are multibillion-dollar projects. A plan to restore the Florida Everglades attracted $4 billion in federal funding, but the state had to match it dollar for dollar.

In Louisiana, so far, there's only been a willingness to match 15 or 25 cents.

"Our state still looks for a 100 percent federal bailout, but that's just not going to happen," said University of New Orleans geologist Shea Penland, a delta expert.

"We have an image and credibility problem. We have to convince our country that they need to take us seriously, that they can trust us to do a science-based restoration program."


29 posted on 08/31/2005 9:57:38 PM PDT by Matchett-PI (Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind'. Albert Einstein)
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Hey Frank, you old coot...yeah it would have been a really good idea to put all of their national gaurd troops in the middle of a hurrican just so there could be there to watch the damage first hand...oh, and hopefully survive without there equipment being destroyed.

You're an ass Frankie Lats, the next time a tornado rips through the midwest, why don't you make sure you're on the ground to coordinate your trip to Oz...they've got a wizard there about on your level. Piker!


30 posted on 08/31/2005 10:02:46 PM PDT by dannyboy72 (How long will you hold onto the rope when Liberals pull us off the cliff?)
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