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Ten Year Old, Arrested for Giving Food to Terri Schiavo, Apologizes
LifeSite ^ | August 31, 2005

Posted on 09/01/2005 9:51:24 AM PDT by NYer

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To: darkangel82

You'd be amazed, and disgusted at some of the sick jokes people make about that video. Until I became involved with Terri, I didn't realize how strong the hatred is toward disabled people. There are some sick puppies out there, and some of them actually show up here.


151 posted on 09/01/2005 11:36:59 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Modernman
As has been demonstrated to you many, many times on the Terri threads, the judges involved in the case followed the letter of the law.

Right, and so did Hitler and his gang of murderers. That didn't make it right. The question is always one of morality. Administering unjust and barbaric laws doesn't make one just, or moral.

Let it go.

Yep, just let it go. Like I suppose we should "let go" of prior injustices that have cost the blood of untold millions. As soon as you willingly execute one innocent person in the name of "the law", someone who has committed no crime, who stands absolutely innocent of any crime before the bar of justice and in the eyes of God, you have opened the door to a potential holocaust. Because then you no longer have a system of justice, only one of process, a machine that grinds on to serve only the needs and whims of those who have their hands on the throttle, and woe be to any who fall under it's wheels.

152 posted on 09/01/2005 11:37:20 AM PDT by BibleStudier
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To: Modernman

you don't know anything about this issue. stop pretending. goodbye.


153 posted on 09/01/2005 11:37:38 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org Daily Newsfeeds & Weekly Update)
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To: NYer
Joshua added, "I am sorry that you didn't like that and wouldn't allow me to help save her life and one day you will have to tell God why. I won't be able to help you then like I tried to help her. I will pray for you every day . . ."

A "no apology" apology, which is exactly what the hospice thugs deserved.

154 posted on 09/01/2005 11:39:09 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Ooh-ee ooh-ah-ah ting tang walla-walla-bing-bang, ooh-ee ooh-ah-ah ting tang walla-walla-bing-bang!)
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To: Modernman

As has been demonstrated to you repeatedly, Judge Greer broke many laws in his pursuit of Terri's murder. A corrupt system is not the same thing as the law.


155 posted on 09/01/2005 11:39:15 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Salt Grain
"He wanted to dump a glass of water down the throat of a woman in a years long coma."
Yeah! Does anyone else here realize that if this boy was allowed to actually give Terri that drink, he would have drowned her, she couldn't swallow it?

Nevermind that it would have been a far more humane death than the one the wonderful State of Florida gave the poor woman.

The kid ultimately would have been responsible for her death, and thankfully he was stopped to prevent that from happening.

It is a shame that this whole unfortunate situation was allowed to happen. It was totally wrong that Ms. Schiavo was killed (yes killed) in such a cruel and inhumane way.
156 posted on 09/01/2005 11:39:23 AM PDT by Horkster (I mean, we execute criminals more humanely than this, for crying out loud!)
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To: darkangel82

Nobody in Florida will investigate this. This is the old south and a perfect place for Atty Felos to start his "social revolution" of taking people's funds by court order and then having them killed by court order. He sure found a great state and plenty of death culturists to give him comfort and aid.


157 posted on 09/01/2005 11:40:21 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org Daily Newsfeeds & Weekly Update)
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To: floriduh voter

I hate to bust your bubble, but it's worse than you think. You seem to be under the impression that he and many others oppose us because they just don't know the facts. It's worse than that. They do know the facts. They know Terri was murdered.


158 posted on 09/01/2005 11:41:27 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Salt Grain
"He wanted to dump a glass of water down the throat of a woman in a years long coma."

Interesting choice of words. I can believe that a 10 year old, perhaps not fully understanding the nature of a coma, would want to offer a glass of water to a woman who was dying of thirst.

I can believe that a 10 year old would have the ability to express himself as well as he did, assuming he wrote that letter himself. Perhaps not the work of a literary prodigy, but those certainly could be his words and sentiments. And I do agree with his notions about "what would Jesus do?" in that situation.

I disagree with you about it being ham-handed. Giving him the benefit of the doubt, if he truly believes, then his actions were correct. Good parenting would support acting on one's beliefs. Besides, I doubt that a 10 year old has much to fear from a court system, especially considering the action he wanted to take.

159 posted on 09/01/2005 11:44:16 AM PDT by GBA
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To: BykrBayb

BB, That's why Terri threads still have TROLLS. They are trying to convince people that this was not MURDER. Well, she was robbed and murdered. Evil will be plantings lies as long as we keep telling the truth. I'm not leaving.


160 posted on 09/01/2005 11:44:51 AM PDT by floriduh voter (www.conservative-spirit.org Daily Newsfeeds & Weekly Update)
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To: Stone Mountain; All

Now a days a "liberal" emperor without clothes would have accused the child that accused him of "nakedness" as being manipulated by his evil moralistic parents. That seems to be what you are saying!


161 posted on 09/01/2005 11:45:45 AM PDT by mdmathis6 (Even when a dog discovers he is barking up a wrong tree, he can still take a leak on it!)
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To: floriduh voter

I'm not leaving either. The trolls can keep telling their lies, but the lurkers still get to read the truth. Notice how the trolls hate the truth, like it burns them. It's not that they don't recognize it as truth. It's that they do.


162 posted on 09/01/2005 11:48:16 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: drlevy88
I'm sure you're salivating all over your self over this.

Actually, quite saddened to see pseudo-conservatives making conservatism look bad.

But oh, how everyone loves it that this guy claims to be a conservative (nevermind his blatant disregard for the rights of others or the rule of law).
163 posted on 09/01/2005 11:55:58 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: BykrBayb
Video of Terri with her father

Audio of Terri with her father when he told her they were removing
her feeding and hydration for the final time.
164 posted on 09/01/2005 11:59:04 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Gondring

So you're comparing Jesus' life to that of a sexual predator? Be gone!


165 posted on 09/01/2005 12:00:57 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: BykrBayb
As has been demonstrated to you repeatedly, Judge Greer broke many laws in his pursuit of Terri's murder. A corrupt system is not the same thing as the law.

Yes, yes, yes. Everyone's in on the conspiracy. For some reason, a sitting conservative Republican judge and dozens of officials in Pinellas County, Florida and the Federal government all got together to murder a brain dead woman.

Again, find me a prosecutor who agrees that crimes were committed here and maybe I'll listen to you.

166 posted on 09/01/2005 12:02:07 PM PDT by Modernman ("A conservative government is an organized hypocrisy." -Disraeli)
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To: floriduh voter
you don't know anything about this issue. stop pretending. goodbye.

Whatever.

167 posted on 09/01/2005 12:02:51 PM PDT by Modernman ("A conservative government is an organized hypocrisy." -Disraeli)
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To: Horkster

Stop trying to interject factual information into a budding hysterria fest.

BTW, she wasn't in a coma.

Ooops..more facts. Sorry.


168 posted on 09/01/2005 12:03:21 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: BykrBayb
The majority of Americans agree that Terri was murdered.

Nope.

169 posted on 09/01/2005 12:03:35 PM PDT by Modernman ("A conservative government is an organized hypocrisy." -Disraeli)
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To: Gondring

Leave it to the muck rakers like you.


170 posted on 09/01/2005 12:03:49 PM PDT by drlevy88
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To: 2nd amendment mama; A2J; Agitate; AliVeritas; Alouette; Annie03; aposiopetic; attagirl; Augie76; ...

ProLife Ping!

If anyone wants on or off my ProLife Ping List, please notify me here or by freepmail.

171 posted on 09/01/2005 12:04:39 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Ooh-ee ooh-ah-ah ting tang walla-walla-bing-bang, ooh-ee ooh-ah-ah ting tang walla-walla-bing-bang!)
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To: Modernman

Keep banging your head against the wall. That's sure to create an alternate reality for somebody. The rest of us will just stick to the facts.


172 posted on 09/01/2005 12:04:45 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: floriduh voter
Judge Greer is a criminal

So you claim. Why hasn't any prosecutor, from the local level to the Feda, arrested him and charged him with a crime, then?

If he didn't have such powerful friends, Terri would still be alive.

Are you talking about Greer? What powerful friends would those be?

173 posted on 09/01/2005 12:05:52 PM PDT by Modernman ("A conservative government is an organized hypocrisy." -Disraeli)
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To: BibleStudier
Right, and so did Hitler and his gang of murderers.

Now you're comparing the democratically elected government of Florida to the Nazis? And you terri-bots wonder why government officials in Florida won't take your calls?

174 posted on 09/01/2005 12:07:32 PM PDT by Modernman ("A conservative government is an organized hypocrisy." -Disraeli)
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To: BykrBayb
They do know the facts. They know Terri was murdered.

Nope. Her wishes were followed and she was released from a hellish existence.

175 posted on 09/01/2005 12:08:45 PM PDT by Modernman ("A conservative government is an organized hypocrisy." -Disraeli)
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To: BykrBayb
The rest of us will just stick to the facts.

The facts are, a large number of courts disagreed with your position.

The facts are, Judge Greer did his job and followed Florida's laws. He will not be indicted of anything and he is still a well-respected judge.

The facts are, your side lost and that poor girl was released from a hellish state.

176 posted on 09/01/2005 12:11:49 PM PDT by Modernman ("A conservative government is an organized hypocrisy." -Disraeli)
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To: Modernman
You should at least make up some elaborate lies to pass off as "evidence," like your fellow trolls do. Come on, lurkers are watching. This is your opportunity to spread your agenda. Nope, nope, nope isn't going to cut it. Maybe you should check with Dan Rather to get some tips on fabricating evidence.
177 posted on 09/01/2005 12:12:48 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Modernman

How many disabled people would you like to see released from their hellish state? If Terri is the bar you measure them by, this could get into the millions before long.


178 posted on 09/01/2005 12:14:01 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: NYer

Vicious.


179 posted on 09/01/2005 12:14:18 PM PDT by hershey
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To: BykrBayb
This is your opportunity to spread your agenda.

What agenda would that be?

Nope, nope, nope isn't going to cut it.

Okay. How about this little fact: your side lost, Judge Greer will never be indicted for anything and you are wasting your time.

Get over it.

180 posted on 09/01/2005 12:15:43 PM PDT by Modernman ("A conservative government is an organized hypocrisy." -Disraeli)
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To: Stone Mountain
what if this child was arrested protesting the Iraq war?

I teach my children that it is their duty to give water to the thirsty and the dying if no one else would do it. I also teach my children that immoral laws should not be obeyed.

Tell me how I am wrong.

To answer your question, there is a difference between protesting and doing work of charity. To send a child who cannot comprehend a knotty political controversy, with a slogan, is indeed using a child as a prop. To send a child to do charity, (or in this case, not to prevent a child from doing charity), even if threatened by the cops, is good parenting.

181 posted on 09/01/2005 12:16:41 PM PDT by annalex
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To: BykrBayb
How many disabled people would you like to see released from their hellish state?

How about the ones who are as bad off as Terri and who also indicated in the past that they did not want to keep living in that state?

182 posted on 09/01/2005 12:16:51 PM PDT by Modernman ("A conservative government is an organized hypocrisy." -Disraeli)
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To: Modernman

The fact that Terri lost and was murdered is the whole point. She's over it. I'm not.


183 posted on 09/01/2005 12:17:54 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Stone Mountain; Salt Grain; My2Cents

Out of the mouths of babes...


184 posted on 09/01/2005 12:18:00 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Stone Mountain
You serious? I have a ten year old boy, and he's no robot. Granted, he follows the religious beliefs my wife and I have taught him, but I think most Christian or pro-life ten year olds would not think, "Gee, I'm going in there even if it means getting arrested."

My son said if he were there he'd try to go in and give her water. And I wouldn't have stopped him if we'd been outside the place.

185 posted on 09/01/2005 12:18:44 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Ooh-ee ooh-ah-ah ting tang walla-walla-bing-bang, ooh-ee ooh-ah-ah ting tang walla-walla-bing-bang!)
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To: Modernman
Sorry, you must stick to the facts. Terri did not have an advance directive. All of the admissible evidence indicated she would not want to be euthanized in any fashion, much less tortured to death. Try again.
186 posted on 09/01/2005 12:19:48 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: BykrBayb
All of the admissible evidence indicated she would not want to be euthanized in any fashion, much less tortured to death. Try again.

Really? I bet you think that what she said regarding her wishes is hearsay, don't you?

187 posted on 09/01/2005 12:24:09 PM PDT by Modernman ("A conservative government is an organized hypocrisy." -Disraeli)
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To: floriduh voter

Not only was Terri murdered, she killed in a barbaric manner that is not even allowed for the worst of killers.


188 posted on 09/01/2005 12:24:57 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: Modernman

The law specifies the rules of admitting hearsay evidence. All of the admissible evidence indicated she would not want to be euthanized, ever, under any circumstances. The law also specifies that there are several conditions that must be met before a judge can determine that the feeding tube is to be removed. Most of those conditiions were not met, including the one about clear and convincing evidence. Even if you don't throw out the inadmissible evidence that Judge Greer wrongly allowed, they still didn't meet the threshhold for clear and convincing evidence. Any way you cut it, the rules of evidence were not followed, and Terri was killed illegally.


189 posted on 09/01/2005 12:29:47 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: NYer

" It made me sad that she was so thirsty and it made Jesus sad too. "

At least they gave Him some wine or vinegar on a sponge.


Those rats in Florida will answer for their heinous acts someday.

This kid is a hero and he already did his community service when he tried to help that poor woman.


190 posted on 09/01/2005 12:32:29 PM PDT by ZULU (Fear the government which fears your guns. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Dante3

It just amazes me that there are still clowns advocating the murder of disabled people. It makes you wonder how they were raised. Obviously not by loving moral parents like Joshua's.


191 posted on 09/01/2005 12:32:43 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: BykrBayb
The law specifies the rules of admitting hearsay evidence.

And do you consider the evidence in question to have been hearsay?

192 posted on 09/01/2005 12:33:54 PM PDT by Modernman ("A conservative government is an organized hypocrisy." -Disraeli)
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To: Modernman
You claim to know Terri wanted to die - what a lie. Even Michael has admitted he had no idea what her wishes were.

In view of previous statements Terri has made, her religion, and the fact that not many wish to be killed in such a barbaric way, it is safe to say this was not her choice.

Who are you to tell anyone to "get over it"? The method of killing of Terri, the appointment of an adulterous sadistic estranged husband as a legal guardian, and other horrific things involved in this case are not something to just "get over it."

193 posted on 09/01/2005 12:39:41 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: Modernman
If they had all the facts, knew of all the denials he laid upon Terri's parents, knew that he never ONCE enforced his own ruling that that MONSTER schiavo was court ordered to attend a deposition regarding his guardian care of Terri...and he NEVER attended, THREE of THEM, and therefore NEVER ONCE was directly held accountable about his pathologically SICK orders regarding her care, his REFUSAL to let anyone visit without his permission, his refusal to allow her to sit in a wheel chair and be wheeled into the sunshine, (she sat in her room chair everyday...but, of course, he had a RULE that her blinds were to be always drawn, he punished her parents by not allowing them to see her when they raised questions about her care, and JUDGE GREER saw to it that NONE of this ever saw the light of day by refusing to enforce the deposition he ORDERED.

Oh yeah..if Americans knew about Judge Greer and his SLAP in the fact to Terri.....for YEARS...and BTW....he NEVER visited her even tho he named himself her court defender. Oh yeah...that is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE in judicial circles.

I believe greer is a criminal because of the way he failed Terri....and acted criminally every step of the way. Every step.

194 posted on 09/01/2005 12:41:31 PM PDT by Republic (Michael Schiavo comes to mind...ulitimate control is never relinquished with ease)
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To: Modernman

A valiant effort, but you are wasting your time trying to reason with these people.


195 posted on 09/01/2005 12:43:40 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: Horkster
Oh horsehocky.

Terri swallowed over 2 quarts of her own saliva EVERY SINGLE DAY OF HER LIFE.

Her monster husband REFUSED to allow tests to see if she could swallow liquid.

Judge Greer DID NOT see to it that Terri had the latest testa available before he ordered her execution via michael.

Go read the affidavit ( found on Terri'sfight.org ) of the nurse who michael got fired who used to give Terri a cold wash cloth soaked in liquid jello for her to suck on....TERRI LOVED IT!

196 posted on 09/01/2005 12:44:54 PM PDT by Republic (Michael Schiavo comes to mind...ulitimate control is never relinquished with ease)
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To: Modernman

The legal terminology is very specific as to how that evidence (which is most commonly referred to in laymen's terms as "hearsay") is dealt with. Some statements are admissible, and some are not. Judge Greer allowed inadmissible evidence, and blocked admissible evidence. Even if you overlook that, the inadmissible evidence that he allowed was not clear and convincing. When you weigh it against the admissible evidence that Greer wrongly blocked, it is revealed as most likely false. Even if you overlook that (we're doing an awful lot of overlooking here) and pretend the evidence shows she actually made those statements, the statements she is alleged to have made do not constitute a request to be euthanized, even through acts of omission. And if you continue to overlook the facts, and go on to pretend that she really made those statements, and they really meant something that no reasonable person could interpret them as meaning, and she really would have wanted to be euthanized if she was ever PVS (which goes against everything she stood for in her public and private life), she wasn't PVS.

I don't have time to completely rehash the whole case for you, but the fact remains, Terri was murdered in the legal and moral sense.


197 posted on 09/01/2005 12:45:23 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: malakhi
If they had all the facts, knew of all the denials he laid upon Terri's parents, knew that he never ONCE enforced his own ruling that that MONSTER schiavo was court ordered to attend a deposition regarding his guardian care of Terri...and he NEVER attended, THREE of THEM, and therefore NEVER ONCE was directly held accountable about his pathologically SICK orders regarding her care, his REFUSAL to let anyone visit without his permission, his refusal to allow her to sit in a wheel chair and be wheeled into the sunshine, (she sat in her room chair everyday...but, of course, he had a RULE that her blinds were to be always drawn, he punished her parents by not allowing them to see her when they raised questions about her care, and JUDGE GREER saw to it that NONE of this ever saw the light of day by refusing to enforce the deposition he ORDERED.

I know the type of posters I'm dealing with when they write a 15 line long sentence.

198 posted on 09/01/2005 12:47:25 PM PDT by Modernman ("A conservative government is an organized hypocrisy." -Disraeli)
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To: BykrBayb
I don't have time to completely rehash the whole case for you, but the fact remains, Terri was murdered in the legal and moral sense.

Whatever.

199 posted on 09/01/2005 12:48:25 PM PDT by Modernman ("A conservative government is an organized hypocrisy." -Disraeli)
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To: Republic

Some people have a twisted view of law and morals. They believe that the law requires disabled people be abused and murdered, and they think those imaginary laws are morally correct.


200 posted on 09/01/2005 12:49:40 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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