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Tourists Realize They're Afterthought, Band Together
The Associated Press ^ | 09-02-05 0315EDT | Robert Tanner

Posted on 09/02/2005 12:58:04 AM PDT by BenLurkin

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To: HarryCaul
If your emergency plans depend on everyone going where you expect them to in an orderly fashion, you just aren't very familiar with the American people. That's not what we do. And if your plans need that, they're bad plans.

If this is the case, (and I think it isn't ) then one rescuer for each victim wouldn't be enough. In New Orleans, it would have taken six foot high Border Collies carrying automatic weapons to control the situation.

141 posted on 09/02/2005 8:45:39 AM PDT by Stentor
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To: An.American.Expatriate

You should have left when you were told to leave... now you can just wait like everybody else. You had money and means so I have little sympathy for you staying when a MANDATORY EVACUATION is called! Idiots.




I had a friend who was staying in the french quarter -- the ONLY reason she was able to get out was because she already had a rental car for her stay there. She took some fellow tourists with her after their cabs and the hotel shuttle buses basically abandoned them. They weren't told that it was going to be bad until Saturday nite and all of the flights were already cancelled and most of the cars were already rented. By the time the mandatory evacuation order came in, you were already screwed if you weren't on the road. It took her 18 hours to get to Houston. Please keep in mind that these people were "tourists" -- it's not like they knew their way around the city and where multiple rental companies were. The tourists are the law abiding citizens in this situation.


142 posted on 09/02/2005 8:47:07 AM PDT by New Girl
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To: An.American.Expatriate
You should have left when you were told to leave... now you can just wait like everybody else. You had money and means so I have little sympathy for you staying when a MANDATORY EVACUATION is called! Idiots.

I can tell you this. When we were vacationing in Florida in '92, when Andrew hit, we listened to the first warning to evacuate the island we were on.

We didn't wait for anybody to tell us twice.

We were on the road headed north, and didn't stop till we were halfway up the state.

Although if we had not already had a rental car, I'm not sure what we would have done...that would have been dicey. Probably would have gotten a ride with others who had cars, I suppose.

But I wouldn't have waited around for a second warning.

143 posted on 09/02/2005 8:59:19 AM PDT by texasbluebell
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To: RushCrush

I believe it was CNN, Paula Zahn.....or maybe Aaron Brown.

It was the scariest interview I've heard all week.

He said he wanted to help, but he wouldn't go back there.


144 posted on 09/02/2005 9:03:00 AM PDT by Howlin (Have you check in on this thread: FYI: Hurricane Katrina Freeper SIGN IN Thread)
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To: Alouette

The same way the other 200,000 left.


145 posted on 09/02/2005 9:04:20 AM PDT by Howlin (Have you check in on this thread: FYI: Hurricane Katrina Freeper SIGN IN Thread)
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To: An.American.Expatriate
You should have left when you were told to leave... now you can just wait like everybody else. You had money and means so I have little sympathy for you staying when a MANDATORY EVACUATION is called! Idiots.

The mandatory evacuation order was called after nearly all flights out of NOLA had been cancelled by the airlines. And, rental cars ran out on Saturday. So no, tourists in many, many cases had no means to evacuate. They were put out on the streets to weather the storm on their own, like many others. NOLA dropped the ball big-time. They had the tools to effectively evacuate those without transportation and failed.

146 posted on 09/02/2005 9:04:58 AM PDT by meyer (Eastern Tennessee)
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To: An.American.Expatriate
Excuse me?? A tourist, once having heard what was coming, SHOULD HAVE left even BEFORE the evac order - once THAT was issued, there is absolutely no excuse - they had money and means and should have used it. Now they are treated just as everyone else is being treated - rightly so.

It's a pretty big assumption that all tourists even heard what was coming, let alone got a reasonable explanation of what it meant from locals. Really, Friday evening was when things became pretty apparent that this storm would be a problem. By mid-day Saturday, there were no rental cars and many flights had already been cancelled as airlines worked to get their planes out of harm's way.

But the school busses remained untouched.

147 posted on 09/02/2005 9:08:39 AM PDT by meyer (Eastern Tennessee)
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To: Cboldt

Your points are valid. Nontheless, wiser choices could have been made. It is the same type of thinking that compels some individuals to be gunowners and others not. The latter group assumes that someone will take care of things. The former group is hopeful that this is the case, but wants to have the ability to handle things on their own just in case. In a situation like this, if you can't rent a car or get a plane or bus ticket, you buy a used car and sell it at the other end, or you buy a bicycle. The point is that you take the initiative to be in control of the situation.

It is foolish to put blind faith in the government to take care of things.


148 posted on 09/02/2005 9:46:37 AM PDT by Huber (Pray deeply for the victims of Katrina, and shoot the looters and mauraders on sight.)
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To: meyer; An.American.Expatriate; MarMema
Excuse me?? A tourist, once having heard what was coming, SHOULD HAVE left even BEFORE the evac order - once THAT was issued, there is absolutely no excuse - they had money and means and should have used it. Now they are treated just as everyone else is being treated - rightly so

Considering NO is a major tourist destination there should have been contingency plans to evacuate tourists. I think a few chartered 777's would work. I'd cancel all the normal flights and just have charter flights to major hub airports like DFW, IAH, and ATL. That way they could catch flights to anywhere from those hubs. Return flights from those airports could be used to fly in additional high value emergency supplies so they could be prepositioned and ready to go to deal with the aftermath of the storm.

149 posted on 09/02/2005 12:32:41 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: Mo1

"Laura Brown, a Federal Aviation Administration spokeswoman in Washington, said she had no such report.

"We're controlling every single aircraft in that airspace and none of them reported being fired on," she said, adding that the FAA was in contact with the military as well as civilian aircraft.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=1087205"

The FAA reported this, i just linked to it from ABC (it was the shortest link). I think they are a pretty reliable source when it comes to air traffic. Who would be more reliable? I mean, if you can't believe someone who is in contact with ALL the air traffic in NO, who are you going to believe?


150 posted on 09/02/2005 12:55:06 PM PDT by redder
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To: MarMema

My nephew had a flight booked but missed his flight because of the traffic, trying to get to the airport. (Fortunately he managed to get a ride out of town before the hurricane hit.)


151 posted on 09/02/2005 1:08:52 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Mears

bfl


152 posted on 09/02/2005 1:27:41 PM PDT by Mears (Mrs Massachusetts)
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To: Experiment 6-2-6

"Tourists had the means to get out." Uhhh, no. Some, perhaps, but most not. The airlines quit flying before most could get out, rental agencies quickly ran out of cars. To their great credit, many hotels tried to sustain them, but eventually they too were overwhelmed.


153 posted on 09/02/2005 5:50:41 PM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: diogenes ghost
Read my second post #95.

When I said means, it meant they had funds. However, it appears that some just never got out of the tourist mode.

154 posted on 09/02/2005 6:11:16 PM PDT by Experiment 6-2-6 (Previously known as Pookie Me, a Freeper since 7 September 1998. All who joined later are newbies!)
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To: BenLurkin
Jill, respectfully ma'am -- its (American) citizens are the city's first priority.

This is one of the most immoral, and idiotic statements I've seen on FR in a long time. The government stole the privately paid-for transportation that was desperately needed, leaving these travelers literally out on the street. The fact that Jill Johnson is not a citizen should not make any difference, she is here legally, and she is right about tourism being a important economically to New Orleans, and it is appalling how badly they are being treated.

Even if you don't care about them-thar furiners; most of the tourists are probably Americans. No doubt tax-paying Americans. Whose buses were stolen to shuttle a bunch of public-aid recipients from the Super-Dorm to the Astro-Dorm.

As for claims on this thread that the tourists have it coming, because they should have gotten out...flights were canceled Sunday, and there were no rental cars available. They were stuck...unlike many that chose to stay in the city who had cars.

Even if you believe in the socialist maxim, "the greatest good for the greatest number," this is a stupid policy. The buses were only going to haul their seat capacity of people out of the city. The tourists once gone are no longer a worry or concern of the city, they can then take care of themselves (but of course, they aren't much of concern now...)but the Astro-Dormers will still be a burden even when moved. So the city/FEMA is actually better off getting the tourists out.

In addition, high-handed actions like this make it impossible for people to help themselves, or for private parties to help, since their resources will likely be stolen by the government. So everybody is left to the inefficient and capricious mercies of a hodge-podge bureacracy.

In reality the government official who stole the buses didn't give more than ten seconds thought to any kind of cost-benifit analysis. He had some job to do, look free buses, and its no skin off his nose if the tourists get left out on the street, because its not his job.I've also seen that private SUVs are being confiscated, think those are owed by ferriners?

155 posted on 09/02/2005 6:58:29 PM PDT by MRMEAN (Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of congress; but I repeat myself. - Mark Tw)
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