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AP Warned of New Orleans Disaster
NewsMax ^ | 9/3/05 | NewsMax

Posted on 09/03/2005 12:34:27 PM PDT by wagglebee

Just last year the Associated Press predicted all of the failures that have became part of the Katrina tragedy - but the story was about another hurricane, Hurricane Ivan.

When Ivan aimed its fury at the Big Easy, the AP detailed what could happen if the hurricane slammed into New Orleans.

In the case of Ivan, serious problems were caused by a lack of planning for a cataclysmic storm, yet with Katrina on the horizon, the lessons of Ivan were all but forgotten.

A feckless state governor and New Orleans' mayor repeated the same mistakes they made with Ivan, and hundreds of thousands of largely poor people were forced to endure conditions that one associates with the Third World - not the richest nation on the planet.

The disaster in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina will come as no surprise to those who recall a September 19, 2004 Associated Press report.

Wrote the AP: "Those who had the money to flee Hurricane Ivan ran into hours-long traffic jams. Those too poor to leave the city had to find their own shelter - a policy that was eventually reversed, but only a few hours before the deadly storm struck land."

Eventually, tens of thousands of New Orleanans were directed to the Superdome - where no food, water or living facilities were provided for the massive number of refugees expected to remain there for at least several days. Fortunately few arrived.

Noted the AP then: "New Orleans dodged the knockout punch many feared from the hurricane, but the storm exposed what some say are significant flaws in the Big Easy's civil disaster plans."

Noting that much of the city lies below sea level, only kept dry by a system of pumps and levees, the AP recalled that as Hurricane Ivan approached the Gulf coast from the Gulf of Mexico, the city - warned by forecasters that a direct hit could send torrents of Mississippi River backwash over the city's levees, creating a 20-foot-deep cesspool of human and industrial waste - urged more than a million people to flee the wrath of the oncoming storm.

But nobody told them how to flee Ivan.

As happened before Katrina struck, residents who had cars took to the highways while the AP reported others wondered what to do.

"'They say evacuate, but they don't say how I'm supposed to do that,' Latonya Hill, 57, said at the time. 'If I can't walk it or get there on the bus, I don't go. I don't got a car. My daughter don't either.'

"'If the government asks people to evacuate, the government has some responsibility to provide an option for those people who can't evacuate and are at the whim of Mother Nature,'" Joe Cook of the New Orleans ACLU told the AP.

In the case of Katrina, there was huge fleet of school buses the mayor could have dispatched to aid in evacuating people unable to leave on their own. Instead, the buses sat in parking lots that later flooded, making them unusable when tens of thousands were stranded in the flooded city.

Dealing with safeguarding the city's population had always been a problem, the AP recalled, adding that the situation was worse at the time of Ivan since the Red Cross had stopped providing shelters in New Orleans for hurricanes rated above Category 2. Stronger hurricanes were deemed too dangerous, and Ivan was a much more powerful Category 4.

In the case of Ivan, city officials first said they would provide no shelter, then just as they later did with Katrina, they agreed that the state-owned Louisiana Superdome would open to those with special medical needs. Only Wednesday afternoon - with Ivan just hours away - did the city open the 20-story-high domed stadium to the public.

Mayor Ray Nagin's spokeswoman, Tanzie Jones, insisted that there was no reluctance at City Hall to open the Superdome as Ivan approached, but said the evacuation was the top priority.

"Our main focus is to get the people out of the city," she told the AP.

"We did the compassionate thing by opening the shelter," Nagin said. "We wanted to make sure we didn't have a repeat performance of what happened before. We didn't want to see people cooped up in the Superdome for days."

Noted the AP story: "When another dangerous hurricane, Georges, appeared headed for the city in 1998, the Superdome was opened as a shelter and an estimated 14,000 people poured in." But just as happened after Katrina, the AP reported there were problems, including theft and vandalism.

With Ivan approaching, far fewer took refuge from the storm - an estimated 1,100 - at the Superdome, and there was far greater security: 300 National Guardsmen.

Wrote the AP of the Ivan debacle: "The main safety measure - getting people out of town - raised its own problems. More than 1 million people tried to leave the city and surrounding suburbs on Tuesday, creating a traffic jam as bad as or worse than the evacuation that followed Georges. In the afternoon, state police took action, reversing inbound lanes on southeastern Louisiana interstates to provide more escape routes. Bottlenecks persisted, however.

"Col. Henry Whitehorn, head of state police, said he believed his agency acted appropriately, but also acknowledged he never expected a seven-hour-long crawl for the 60 miles between New Orleans and Baton Rouge.

"It was so bad that some broadcasters were telling people to stay home, that they had missed their window of opportunity to leave. They claimed the interstates had turned into parking lots where trapped people could die in a storm surge.

"Gov. Kathleen Blanco and [Mayor] Nagin both acknowledged the need to improve traffic flow and said state police should consider reversing highway lanes earlier. They also promised meetings with governments in neighboring localities and state transportation officials to improve evacuation plans.

But it appears that nothing had been changed by the time Katrina made its appearance in the Gulf.

After Ivan, Blanco and other state officials boasted that, while irritating, the clogged escape routes got people out of the most vulnerable areas.

"We were able to get people out," state Commissioner of Administration Jerry Luke LeBlanc said. "It was successful. There was frustration, yes. But we got people out of harm's way."

After Katrina struck, however, escape routes out of the city were clogged with bumper-to-bumper traffic, leaving some motorists on the road when the Hurricane arrived.

A new photo from AP shows a huge fleet of school buses lined up in a now flooded parking lot - what appears to be enough transportation sufficient to have evacuated many of those stranded in the city and left to endure unimaginable conditions - transportation that the mayor failed to use when there was still time to use it.

The lessons of Ivan were never learned, and the people of New Orleans paid the price.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cary; hurricaneivan; incompetence; katrina; katrinafailures; neworleans
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To: IronMan04

Seeing what happened before and acting on it might have saved a lot more.

I do know that leadership isn't easy but that's what leadership is.


41 posted on 09/03/2005 1:44:04 PM PDT by Rightly Biased (<>< Like $3 a gallon gas? Thank an enviromentalist.)
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To: Polybius

about 75 buses in that pic alone. How many does your average bus hold? 48-60 I think. 75x48=3600 Thats just one group of buses. How many dead? 10,000+ ?? Amazing how everything was overlooked when orders to evacuate came in.


42 posted on 09/03/2005 1:46:49 PM PDT by Cougar66 (The only liberal movement is what's in their diapers. .)
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To: Victoria; Carl/NewsMax
I don't know how Newsmax would stay in business without Free Republic to provide the base for most of their articles.

Even though the bulk of what is on NewsMax is gleaned from the various newswires, they still have a lot of stories that you simply won't see anywhere else. Even most of the AP stories they carry are ignored by the lamestream media.

43 posted on 09/03/2005 1:47:55 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: Cougar66

I didnt even have the whole pic on the screen so its even more. Geez


44 posted on 09/03/2005 1:48:39 PM PDT by Cougar66 (The only liberal movement is what's in their diapers. .)
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To: Rightly Biased
They did everything except go door to door with a gun forcing people out of their homes. If they would have parked the school buses on the corner to take people out of town very few people would have gotten on.

What would you have done if your choice was to leave your house and with 100% certainty have it looted by the gang banger thugs next door or take you chances like you had in the 15 or 20 previous evacuations?

45 posted on 09/03/2005 1:49:44 PM PDT by IronMan04
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To: Cougar66

It would have been very difficult to get those people to leave their houses.


46 posted on 09/03/2005 1:52:49 PM PDT by IronMan04
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To: IronMan04

Well having a prespective that isn't what your's is obviously. I would have done what ever it took to get my family out of there.

Stuff is Stuff
Souls are eternal.

We have created a handout society and it shows.


47 posted on 09/03/2005 1:54:14 PM PDT by Rightly Biased (<>< Like $3 a gallon gas? Thank an enviromentalist.)
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To: IronMan04

The mayor did not order the evacuation on Saturday. He did on Sunday only after a call from the President.


48 posted on 09/03/2005 1:56:06 PM PDT by golfisnr1 (Democrats are like roaches, hard to get rid of.>)
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To: Rightly Biased
BTW-The New Orleans area evacuated 900,000 to a 1,000,000 people in less than 48 hours.

Can you please provide evidence to me where another American City with only two viable roads heading out was as successful.

I am willing to bet you cannot find one example.

49 posted on 09/03/2005 1:56:31 PM PDT by IronMan04
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To: golfisnr1

On Saturday morning as I ate breakfast the Mayor Strongly Advised people to Evacuate.


50 posted on 09/03/2005 1:58:22 PM PDT by IronMan04
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To: golfisnr1
The New Orleans Katrina evacuation will go down in history as the most successful in US history.
51 posted on 09/03/2005 2:00:15 PM PDT by IronMan04
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To: IronMan04
Consider Miami Dade with Andrew.
 
I don't know why you are a liberal apologist.
 
But I do know that when people want to do something they can and will and if they do not want to do something or anything they will wait for the handout or bus-ride or helicopter ride.And blame the President when the handful  (bus's copter's) doesn't come.
 

I know  how many people moved out and I know how many are left. I have been on this for a while.  All  I'm saying is that I believe that NOLA's leadership could have done more.
 
Check out these FEMA Damage Assessments:

http://www.gismaps.fema.gov/2005pages/dr1603.shtm
 
It's worse than we could imagine...
 
One of the assessment sheets shows 287, 000 people displaced because of the levee breaks.
 
If you add up  the sheets Thats over 500,000 PEOPLE needing evacuation. not black people not yellow people not  white people but PEOPLE
Not Democrats or Republicans, not hindus baptist or catholics but PEOPLE.and their elected leadership let them down in the first place by not really emphasizing the gravity of the situation
 
I'm done

52 posted on 09/03/2005 2:11:24 PM PDT by Rightly Biased (<>< Like $3 a gallon gas? Thank an enviromentalist.)
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To: IronMan04

What did anybody do except urge folks to leave in their cars, and do contraflow? There were three roads out of NO by the way, not two. Check a map. Now of course there are only two.


53 posted on 09/03/2005 2:18:26 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Rightly Biased

Thanks for the FEMA Maps. From these it would appear that my mom's house and other properties were not flooded. It is the best data I am the 16 LA kin at my house in Austin have seen in a week.


54 posted on 09/03/2005 2:18:59 PM PDT by IronMan04
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To: IronMan04

Your welcome man

I still am not an apologist for Nagin and I wont turn.

you can defend him if you like and I am truly glad you and your family are OK.

Gotta go for now.

RB


55 posted on 09/03/2005 2:20:55 PM PDT by Rightly Biased (<>< Like $3 a gallon gas? Thank an enviromentalist.)
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To: wagglebee

A resignation from life in a manner similar to hari-kari would be adequate but they don't have enough honor to do so.


56 posted on 09/03/2005 2:22:44 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Liberalism is an ill fated luxury that we cannot afford at this time; it does not work in a crisis.)
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To: wagglebee

Just like 911, there are a million people who said "I warned you." Warnings are a dime a dozen.

But their warnings were obviously not persuasive enough to get anything done.


57 posted on 09/03/2005 2:25:11 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: IronMan04
"The Buses would have only complicated matters and even during a "Mandatory Evacuation" people are still Free to Stay in their homes."

The buses could have been prepositioned at the Superdome and the convention center. That would have enabled a local first response to get survivors out of the city after the storm. Instead they left the bus fleet to become inundated.

The incompetence of the local authorities and the governor was of criminal proportions. They obviously had NO plan for what everyone has known for decades would be the result if the city were hit by a Cat #3 hurricane.
58 posted on 09/03/2005 2:26:18 PM PDT by laishly
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To: Eagle Eye

No they should be made to stand trial publicly for gross dereliction.


59 posted on 09/03/2005 2:30:17 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

Thanks for posting this. It's a pretty comprehensive accounting of what happened.


60 posted on 09/03/2005 2:31:55 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (Death to Islamo-Fascists ...)
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