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MIlitary expert rebuts claims that Katrina relief was tardy
MSNBC ^ | 9/2/5 | Dan Goure

Posted on 09/04/2005 10:42:57 AM PDT by wm_tate

MSNBC military analyst Dan Goure: "It takes time to move thousands of tons of supplies and tens of thousands of people. It is remarkable that we have done so well in such a short period of time...let me tell you where the responsibility for the failure rests.

Unfortunately, I hate to say this; it rests first with the government of the City of New Orleans and secondly with the government of the State of Louisiana that failed in their emergency plans...

if you want to criticize what's going on the Guard and responses may be 24 hours behind optimum schedule, the best you can hope for but they're moving enormously quickly for a disaster that spanned 90,000 square miles. "

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TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections; US: Alabama; US: Louisiana; US: Mississippi
KEYWORDS: katrina; relief
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Goure begins his timeline on Monday, but the real problems didn't start until Tuesday. (The NY Times Tuesday morning story says NO escaped the worst.) So when Goure says the response could at worst be 24 hours behind schedule, he hasn't factored that in.

What the MSNBC web-site doesn't show, but the interview's snide questions hint at, is the anchorette (Lisa Daniels) blatantly ripping the Bush administration before the interview. Then, Goure came on and calmly and reasonable explained the obvious: you can't help the survivors of a disaster until you know where and how severe that disaster is.

1 posted on 09/04/2005 10:42:58 AM PDT by wm_tate
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To: wm_tate

Wow! MSNBC actually admitted this? I guess the cover-up is too far fetched even for them.


2 posted on 09/04/2005 10:43:48 AM PDT by livius
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To: wm_tate

Just heard the NG guy on Fox tell it like it is too. Perhaps the tide is turning.


3 posted on 09/04/2005 10:45:28 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (Legality does not dictate morality... Lavin)
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To: mtbopfuyn

He made sense. You really can't bring stuff in ahead of time because it might be destroyed.


4 posted on 09/04/2005 10:46:58 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If you must obey your party, may your chains rest lightly upon your shoulders.)
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To: livius

5 posted on 09/04/2005 10:47:08 AM PDT by Dallas59 (“You love life, while we love death.” - Al-Qaeda / Democratic Party)
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To: wm_tate

I saw that interview the other day. Goure did a good job of setting the record straight as I remember.


6 posted on 09/04/2005 10:48:15 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: wm_tate

Lt. Gen. Honre was just on Fox explaining things to the uninformed presstitutes as well.


7 posted on 09/04/2005 10:48:25 AM PDT by AFreeBird (your mileage may vary)
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To: livius

We live in an instant gratification society, whether it be food and sex, or disaster relief. There's plenty of blame to be spread around, but people just don't understand the scope of what took place. If John Kerry had campaigned on platform of "Shore up the levees and evacuate the poor" (which he did not, although now he will probably say that he did), this still would have been a chaotic mess.


8 posted on 09/04/2005 10:49:25 AM PDT by Callahan
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To: wm_tate

I really got sick of Bill O'Reilly and some talk show hosts jabbering on last week about how the President should have just gone ahead and fielded military and guard units without a request from the governors of the states afflicted. Apparently they think the feds ought to impose aid at gunpoint if necessary.


9 posted on 09/04/2005 10:49:38 AM PDT by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: livius

Dan Goure, while I don't always agree with his military analysis- is a straightforward fellow- he knows how these things work.

Talked to a neighbor of mine this morning- retired Army logistics guy- he reiterated what we all know- this operation is a nightmare logistically- he's shaking his head at how quickly this deployment has happened- thinks it's fantastic.


10 posted on 09/04/2005 10:50:06 AM PDT by SE Mom (God Bless those who serve..)
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To: cripplecreek
You really can't bring stuff in ahead of time because it might be destroyed.

Just heard General Honore say that, too.

11 posted on 09/04/2005 10:51:46 AM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: wm_tate
I've been involved in logistics at the MEF/corps level, and I have been telling friends, family and coworkers much the same thing.

The response is timely from the feds. I think the PR effort from the feds is less than stellar, but the facts will hopefully emerge.
12 posted on 09/04/2005 10:53:02 AM PDT by M1911A1
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To: marblehead17

ping


13 posted on 09/04/2005 10:54:50 AM PDT by marblehead17 (I love it when a plan comes together.)
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To: wm_tate

Please someone, save this thread. It gives valuable information from an expert that we'll need to answer questions in the coming weeks.


14 posted on 09/04/2005 10:55:31 AM PDT by mwfsu84
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To: wm_tate
Sorry to trot in my usual criticism of republicans. But you have that mayor cursing at the president, the governor blaming him, meanwhile half their police deserted which is despicable, and the governor never turned authority over so the feds could coordinate.

But the GOP politicians let the dems get away with it. Oh no, the dems can dance on their own people's graves but the repubs wouldn't dare call them out on it. The dems know exactly what they are doing. Can't tell you how many black people I have heard saying Bush didn't want to help the black people. All the dems care about is energizing the black vote, that's what keeps them in power.

Meanwhile black democrats are dead, it's the democrats' fault, and the gop doesn't dare say it. They let the dems get a away with murder - literally.

15 posted on 09/04/2005 10:55:40 AM PDT by Williams
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To: wm_tate

As was so elegantly demonstrated on national news in March (via a handicapped woman), humans can live up to 14 days without food or water. These people still had a good week and a half to go!


16 posted on 09/04/2005 10:56:18 AM PDT by pkp1184
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To: wm_tate
Unfortunately, I hate to say this; it rests first with the government of the City of New Orleans and secondly with the government of the State of Louisiana that failed in their emergency plans . . .

can't say it enough.

17 posted on 09/04/2005 10:56:23 AM PDT by smonk
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To: wm_tate
It took FEMA four days to get in after hurricane Andrew.

Disaster response takes time, which is why you are to have 3-5 days food and water before this kind of event.

There is lots of blame to go around. But it is up to each state to prepare for this kind of thing, not the feds.

The LA powers that be act like they had no idea this storm was coming. They certainly provided no leadership, and could not even follow their own disaster plan.

Idiots.

18 posted on 09/04/2005 10:56:50 AM PDT by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: wm_tate
I heard that someone this morning suggested that the trucks should have been lined up on the causeway. If they had been, all those supplies and trucks would now be on the bottom of the lake and NOBODY would be getting help.

How dumb can people be to think supplies should have been positioned in the path of the storm?

19 posted on 09/04/2005 10:57:42 AM PDT by McGavin999 (Global Dumbing far more serious threat than Global Warming)
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To: wm_tate
"It takes time to move thousands of tons of supplies and tens of thousands of people. It is remarkable that we have done so well in such a short period of time..."

Indeed, this was a remarkable success. The levees broke on Tuesday and the first amount of real aid arrived in the area on Thursday despite a submerged city, just one road passable into the city, the NO police force cutting loose faster that John Kerry cutting loose a poor wife, and thugs shooting at rescuers.

And just imagine the scope of the damage if Bush didn't prod for an evacuation last Saturday.

20 posted on 09/04/2005 10:58:09 AM PDT by LdSentinal
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