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MIlitary expert rebuts claims that Katrina relief was tardy
MSNBC ^ | 9/2/5 | Dan Goure

Posted on 09/04/2005 10:42:57 AM PDT by wm_tate

MSNBC military analyst Dan Goure: "It takes time to move thousands of tons of supplies and tens of thousands of people. It is remarkable that we have done so well in such a short period of time...let me tell you where the responsibility for the failure rests.

Unfortunately, I hate to say this; it rests first with the government of the City of New Orleans and secondly with the government of the State of Louisiana that failed in their emergency plans...

if you want to criticize what's going on the Guard and responses may be 24 hours behind optimum schedule, the best you can hope for but they're moving enormously quickly for a disaster that spanned 90,000 square miles. "

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TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections; US: Alabama; US: Louisiana; US: Mississippi
KEYWORDS: katrina; relief
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To: Williams

The democrats have never forgotten how important it is to have a President who can put his hand to his chest and mournfully bite his lip.


21 posted on 09/04/2005 11:00:08 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: teenyelliott

"But it is up to each state to prepare for this kind of thing, not the feds."

Your point is well taken. Otherwise, bureaucracies in localities and the states are, in a word, pointless.


22 posted on 09/04/2005 11:01:21 AM PDT by combat_boots (Dug in and not budging an inch. NOT to be schiavoed, greered, or felosed as a patient)
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To: teenyelliott
It took FEMA four days to get in after hurricane Andrew.

My memory of Andrew is a bit fuzzy. Wasn't a good deal of that 'delay' due to the time it took Governor Chiles to ask for federal assistance?

23 posted on 09/04/2005 11:01:31 AM PDT by Bob
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To: Williams

Seems to me that FEMA tries to follow a pre planned script too hard. When things don't go according to plan FEMA and the other federal agencies seem to struggle.


24 posted on 09/04/2005 11:04:13 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If you must obey your party, may your chains rest lightly upon your shoulders.)
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To: wm_tate

bookmark


25 posted on 09/04/2005 11:06:55 AM PDT by Sam Cree (absolute reality - Miami)
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To: Callahan

The drive thru/microwave society.


26 posted on 09/04/2005 11:11:17 AM PDT by jennyjenny
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To: Callahan

You're right, it would have been chaotic no matter what. That's the nature of a disaster.

It didn't have to be such a human disaster, though, if the mayor had made better arrangements to get those people out. Earlier studies had predicted that about 20% of the city's population, mostly the very poorest, would stay behind in the event of an evacuation, and there needed to be a plan for dealing with them, particularly with respect to transportation. In addition, if the Governor had made it clear that disorder and mayhem would not be tolerated - something she did not do by bursting into tears off and on and refusing to ask for the help she could have gotten - it would never have gotten such traction at the start.


27 posted on 09/04/2005 11:14:55 AM PDT by livius
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To: John Jorsett
I really got sick of Bill O'Reilly and some talk show hosts jabbering on last week about how the President should have just gone ahead and fielded military and guard units without a request from the governors of the states afflicted. Apparently they think the feds ought to impose aid at gunpoint if necessary.

After which some members of the House of Represenatatives would have ordered a bill of Impeachment for abuse of power.

28 posted on 09/04/2005 11:15:15 AM PDT by mware (Atlantic County, NJ Heart of the Pinelands.)
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To: cripplecreek
The pre-planned script is a plan of action, which the local governments are aware of well in advance, and are supposed to follow. When someone screws the plan up you can't expect thousands of troops to be on the spot in less than 48 hours.

The mayor is a disgrace. BTW when my sister in law visited NO, they were told not to go outside the French Quarter because the city had a lot of violent criminals, drugs, thugs and corruption.

29 posted on 09/04/2005 11:18:53 AM PDT by Williams
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To: Williams

"The pre-planned script is a plan of action, which the local governments are aware of well in advance, and are supposed to follow."


That makes sense and it most certainly played a part in NO.


30 posted on 09/04/2005 11:20:52 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If you must obey your party, may your chains rest lightly upon your shoulders.)
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To: combat_boots
Unfortunately, when something like this happens, people like to blame Daddy Gubmint.

States are separate because they have individual governments. If the left does not want to rely on the states to handle these kinds of situations, then they need to be arguing for the abolition of ALL states, so we can just be one big dysfunctional bureaucracy.

31 posted on 09/04/2005 11:21:34 AM PDT by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: Bob
I am not sure what the specific situation was that time.

But I think the issue is immediate relief in disasters such as Andrew, or Katrina or any other predicted disaster, is the responsibility of the states.

That is why they have disaster plans. That is why they tell people to have 3-5 days worth of food and water, so that they can survive until the feds get there.

I don't think four days is outside of the norm. It takes time to organize massive relief.

32 posted on 09/04/2005 11:25:23 AM PDT by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: wm_tate
OMG, some reason to the hysteria, I have never seen so many freepers in full emoting mode.

The DNC/media pornographers of death, misery, racism, and blame have taken hold here.
33 posted on 09/04/2005 11:27:09 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: cripplecreek
You really can't bring stuff in ahead of time because it might be destroyed.

Which is why Red Cross and FEMA staff and supplies are positioned in safe zones. Then they have to clear paths through the debris to GET to the disaster areas.

Kudos to the hundreds of volunteers who brought their chainsaws and cleared the roads ahead of the Guard and the relief crews. Otherwise, it would have taken much longer to get their supplies to the victims.

34 posted on 09/04/2005 11:29:45 AM PDT by shezza (God Bless Our Troops)
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To: Callahan

It's called Hollywood, and the leftist media pushing some kind of utopia.


35 posted on 09/04/2005 11:29:46 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: teenyelliott
Yet they tout Hillary-Care, imagine Russert with his camera in the face of the dying who are waiting for an operation.

It would NEVER happen.
36 posted on 09/04/2005 11:31:57 AM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: teenyelliott

I agree completely. The federal efforts don't start, except under the most unusual circumstances, until aid is requesrted by the state. That's the way the system is designed, the way the laws are written, and, IMHO, exactly the way it should be. Local and state governments have primary responsibility for initial disaster response.


37 posted on 09/04/2005 11:32:05 AM PDT by Bob
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To: livius

What the critical media are failing to mention is that they were also tardy on the disaster. I remember clearly Ted Kopple announcing that New Orleans had dodged the bullet, the worst of the storm. And for 24 hours the lamestream media was reporting it that way.

Now they come along and say the government should have know sooner.


38 posted on 09/04/2005 11:34:23 AM PDT by BJungNan
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To: pkp1184

Wow, never heard that story...


39 posted on 09/04/2005 11:36:53 AM PDT by dakine
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To: roses of sharon
Yet they tout Hillary-Care, imagine Russert with his camera in the face of the dying who are waiting for an operation. It would NEVER happen.

It really is beyond me how people can be that stupid.

40 posted on 09/04/2005 11:40:09 AM PDT by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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