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MIlitary expert rebuts claims that Katrina relief was tardy
MSNBC ^ | 9/2/5 | Dan Goure

Posted on 09/04/2005 10:42:57 AM PDT by wm_tate

MSNBC military analyst Dan Goure: "It takes time to move thousands of tons of supplies and tens of thousands of people. It is remarkable that we have done so well in such a short period of time...let me tell you where the responsibility for the failure rests.

Unfortunately, I hate to say this; it rests first with the government of the City of New Orleans and secondly with the government of the State of Louisiana that failed in their emergency plans...

if you want to criticize what's going on the Guard and responses may be 24 hours behind optimum schedule, the best you can hope for but they're moving enormously quickly for a disaster that spanned 90,000 square miles. "

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TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections; US: Alabama; US: Louisiana; US: Mississippi
KEYWORDS: katrina; relief
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To: BJungNan

Now that you mention it, I remember all the media crowing that a.m. that NO had "dodged the bullet."

Yet what happened next - the flooding - was exactly what had been predicted in every scenario for NO after a Cat 4/5 hurricane.


41 posted on 09/04/2005 11:45:59 AM PDT by livius
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To: pkp1184
"As was so elegantly demonstrated on national news in March (via a handicapped woman), humans can live up to 14 days without food or water. These people still had a good week and a half to go!"

Without any pain or suffering they told us.

42 posted on 09/04/2005 11:46:28 AM PDT by A_Niceguy_in_CA
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To: wm_tate

Except for the flooding, I suspect damage in NO would be far less than in Mississippi, and the coverage would be in Miss instead of NO. But the flooding, which actually began on Tuesday, was when the problem started. The Feds were on the scene in no time. All the blame rests with the useless pricks who were supposedly in charge of the city and state governments--all lousy Dummycrats. Most Americans are not being fooled by the race-baiters and poverty-pimps like Sharpton, Jackson, Jackson Jr., etc. they can see the entire NO problem is attributable to them, not the President.


43 posted on 09/04/2005 11:50:48 AM PDT by Cautor
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To: wm_tate
MSNBC military analyst Dan Goure: "It takes time to move thousands of tons of supplies and tens of thousands of people.

Old military axiom:......."Amateurs talk tactics. Professionals talk logistics."

44 posted on 09/04/2005 11:53:09 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: SE Mom

"Talked to a neighbor of mine this morning- retired Army logistics guy- he reiterated what we all know- this operation is a nightmare logistically- he's shaking his head at how quickly this deployment has happened- thinks it's fantastic."

I've been saying the same thing on a couple of threads and been catching some flak for that. There's a lot of folks on free republic that think otherwise. I doubt they've ever had to organize a church social but they are full of solutions to a logistical nightmare like this.


45 posted on 09/04/2005 11:53:12 AM PDT by DugwayDuke (Stupidity can be a self-correcting problem.)
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To: wm_tate
HOW ABOUT THIS TIDBIT From the Instanpundit's site:

Buried at the end of the WaPo's critical article on FEMA's decline is this crucial paragraph:

Other federal and state officials pointed to Louisiana's failure to measure up to national disaster response standards, noting that the federal plan advises state and local emergency managers not to expect federal aid for 72 to 96 hours, and base their own preparedness efforts on the need to be self-sufficient for at least that period.

"Fundamentally the first breakdown occurred at the local level," said one state official who works with FEMA. 'Did the city have the situational awareness of what was going on within its borders? The answer was no."

46 posted on 09/04/2005 11:59:51 AM PDT by msnimje (CNN - Constant Negative Nonsense)
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To: livius

What if the Governor had said to the mayor....you take the convention center...I'll handle the superdome & then they went in to those places and got even some minimal organizing started. If they had done that...hands on into the places with the direst need...they would have been hereos. If they had been murdered by the criminals...they would have been saints!

Unfortunately, they both scurried to comfort in Baton Rouge and got their fingers into point the blame position.


47 posted on 09/04/2005 12:28:29 PM PDT by chgomac
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To: wm_tate
The NY Times Tuesday morning story says NO escaped the worst.Everyone has already forgotten this. I was hoping to see a good timeline somewhere. Suggestions? I would like to know when forcasters warned NO, Bush ordered evac, levees broke, etc...
48 posted on 09/04/2005 12:31:15 PM PDT by LearnsFromMistakes (We know the right things to do, why don't we just do them?)
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To: LearnsFromMistakes
The NY Times Tuesday morning story says NO escaped the worst.

Everyone has already forgotten this. I was hoping to see a good timeline somewhere. Suggestions? I would like to know when forcasters warned NO, Bush ordered evac, levees broke, etc...(preview is our friend...)

49 posted on 09/04/2005 12:32:16 PM PDT by LearnsFromMistakes (We know the right things to do, why don't we just do them?)
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To: Polybius
Old military axiom:......."Amateurs talk tactics. Professionals talk logistics."

yup, 2-Shop says where it wants to go, but the 4-Shop tells it When and How it's going to get there...

50 posted on 09/04/2005 12:48:33 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: cripplecreek

"... can't bring stuff in ahead of time because it might be destroyed."


Too logical for liberals!


51 posted on 09/04/2005 1:03:14 PM PDT by CyberAnt (America has the greatest military on the face of the earth.)
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To: cripplecreek; CyberAnt
You really can't bring stuff in ahead of time because it might be destroyed.
Realistically, the "stuff" was already in NO - what were the citizens of that fair city gonna eat if there had been no disaster? nearly all the suffering and death in NO could have prevented by the critical supplies that were lost to the floodwaters. The photo of hundreds of schoolbusses in their neat rows hood-deep in water will forever be the symbol of the local response.

But as to the Superdome, the fact that no supplies reached it for days even though ground transportation was possible and the weather was not inclement for choppers by that time . . .


52 posted on 09/04/2005 2:20:32 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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To: Bob
Wasn't a good deal of that 'delay' due to the time it took Governor Chiles to ask for federal assistance?

That is how I remember it. If I remember correctly, the Dumocrats tried to nail GHW Bush due to the 'lack of Federal resopnse' and he responded that the Fed was waiting to help just as soon as the Fl governor asked, which is how the law was written.... (Again, my memory... and it was 13 years ago, right before the election that put Klintoon in power... )

I am open to correction if my memory is faulty.

53 posted on 09/04/2005 2:22:45 PM PDT by NoCmpromiz (Deja Moo - The feeling you've heard this bull before...)
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To: NoCmpromiz
I am open to correction if my memory is faulty.

I am as well, but I think we're remembering the situation correctly.

54 posted on 09/04/2005 2:53:37 PM PDT by Bob
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To: wm_tate

Truth: 1 Presstitute: 0


55 posted on 09/04/2005 2:54:57 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Bob
I think we're remembering the situation correctly

It seems to have stuck in my memory because, again if memory is correct, it was Chiles who was complaining to the MSM and he didn't shut up until Bush41 made mention that it was up to 'ol Lawton to ask...

Fregards..

56 posted on 09/04/2005 3:55:49 PM PDT by NoCmpromiz (Deja Moo - The feeling you've heard this bull before...)
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To: wm_tate
Yeah, but let me tell you where the responsibility for the failure rests.

Unfortunately, I hate to say this; it rests first with the government of the City of New Orleans and secondly with the government of the State of Louisiana that failed in their emergency plans... they should have responded before the event and called in every federal resource they could get their hands on. They didn't.

Um hum... “Anytime they want a few incompetent local officials can act (or fail to act) this way, and kill or injure hundreds or thousands of thousand people, and create millions or even perhaps billions dollars in economic loss. The Federal response was appropriate, we did well under the circumstances, and unless these officials ask us to do differently, next time we should do things pretty much the same.”

Somehow, I don’t think so.

57 posted on 09/04/2005 4:13:30 PM PDT by M. Dodge Thomas
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To: cripplecreek

>>>Seems to me that FEMA tries to follow a pre planned script too hard.

That script is called federal law. They can't do things unles requested by the state governor...who in this case, appears to have been a misreable failure.


58 posted on 09/04/2005 4:17:45 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Looters: undocumented consumers || Looting: purchases with indefinite deferred payment plans)
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To: wm_tate

BTTT. In case MSNBC needs a reminder today.


59 posted on 09/05/2005 4:09:07 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: mewzilla

Bookmark


60 posted on 09/06/2005 10:54:04 AM PDT by NonLinear
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