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Rape threat to our women (more Terror Dome accounts)
Herald Sun (Australia) ^ | 04sep05 | CHRIS TINKLER and DARYL PASSMORE

Posted on 09/04/2005 6:52:12 PM PDT by Lorianne

AUSTRALIAN survivors of Hurricane Katrina told last night of their dramatic escape from New Orleans and the unfolding civil disaster in city.

The group, joyful at fleeing the nightmare of the Louisiana city, lauded one of its members as a hero. Bud Hopes, of Brisbane, was praised for saving dozens of tourists as the supposed safe haven of the city's Superdome became a hellhole.

"I would have to say that Bud is solely responsible for our evacuation," Vanessa Cullington, 22, of Sydney, told the Sunday Herald Sun by mobile phone from a bus carrying 10 Australians to safety in Dallas, Texas.

"I dread to think what would have happened if we hadn't got out. It's so great to be free."

News of the group's escape came as reports said as many as 10,000 people might have been killed by the hurricane and its aftermath, and President George Bush ordered more troops and an increased aid effort for the stricken Gulf of Mexico states.

As the Australians left the Superdome, food and water were almost non-existent and the stiflingly hot arena was filled with 25,000 people and the stench of human waste. Gangs stalked the tourists and women were threatened with rape.

"Bud took control. He was calm and kept it together the whole time," Ms Cullington said.

Mr Hopes, 32, said: "That was the worst place in the universe. Ninety-eight per cent of the people around the world are good. In that place, 98 per cent of the people were bad.

"Everyone brought their drugs, they brought guns, they brought knives. Soldiers were shot.

"It was like a refugee camp within a prison.

"It was full on. It was the worst thing I have seen in my life. I have never been so frightened."

Realising that foreigners were a target, Mr Hopes and the other Aussies gathered tourists from Europe, South America and elsewhere into one part of the building.

"There were 65 of us, so we were able to look after each other -- especially the girls who were being grabbed and threatened." Mr Hopes said.

He said they had organised escorts for the women when they had gone for food or to the toilet, and rosters to keep guard while others slept.

"We sat through the night just watching each other, not knowing if we would be alive in the morning."

John McNeil, 20, of Brisbane, said the worst point had come after two days when soldiers had told them the power in the dome was failing and there was only 10 minutes worth of gas left.

"I looked at Bud and said, 'That will be the end of us'," Mr McNeil said.

"The gangs . . . knew where we were. If the lights had gone out we would have been in deep trouble. We prayed for a miracle and the lights stayed on."

Mr Hopes said the Australians owed their lives to a National Guard Staff Sgt Garland Ogden, who had broken the rules to get the tourists out of the dome, with 60 people being evacuated to a medical centre.

"We did some shifts at the hospital to help nurse the sick to say thank you. It was a real Aussie thing," he said.

As the bus carrying the Australians crossed the Texan border, spirits were high.

"We've had hotdogs and chips and everyone is laughing," Mr Hopes said.

Later, the bus arrived at Dallas Convention Centre, where the Australians were processed.

Family and friends gathered at the Brisbane home of Mr McNeil's parents, Peter and Mary, where they were joined by Mr Hopes's sister, Debbie Browne.

Mrs McNeil broke down when she saw images of her son leaving New Orleans.

"There have been times during this past week when we didn't know if we would see him again," she said.

Mr McNeil said he could see a change in his son.

"They've been traumatised," he said. "I think they've witnessed several atrocities."

The other Australians on the bus were Emma Hardwick, of Sydney; Simon Wood, of Wyalkatchem, WA; Michael Ryan, of Lithgow, NSW; Yasmin Bright, of Newcastle; Michelle and Lisa van Grinsven, of Sydney; and Elise Sims, Tea Tree Gully, Adelaide.

Meanwhile, three Australian couples were safe in Los Angeles, awaiting flights home after being rescued from New Orleans by a Channel 7 news crew.

Tim and Joanne Miller, of Rockhampton, Garry and Cynthia Jones, of Brisbane, and Jack and Gloria Slinger, of Perth, crammed into a four-wheel-drive vehicle with reporter Mike Amor and two colleagues for the early morning dash.

The crew had arranged to pick up two couples from the building where they were holed up and found the Slingers on the streets.

"They were very wary about about coming out of the building. It was a pretty frightening scene -- bodies, shootings, looters," Amor said.

A phone call in the middle of the night gave hope to relatives of Brisbane's Fiona Seidel and her sister-in-law, Katie Maclean.

Mrs Maclean's husband, Andrew, was contacted by a New Orleans police officer who said he had seen the pair get on a bus.


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Crime/Corruption; US: Louisiana
KEYWORDS: hurricaneaussies; katrina; superdome; terrordome
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To: HateBill

"Maybe 2% were predators "

You are very naive or you have decided to ignore reality.


141 posted on 09/04/2005 8:05:13 PM PDT by Archidamus (We are wise because we are not so highly educated as to look down on our laws and customs)
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To: toldyou

Butt out carburator!


142 posted on 09/04/2005 8:05:51 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: claudiustg

That's why I'm doing all I can to spread the damning forgotten buses pictures around.

They could have taken out 30,000 evacuees per trip.


143 posted on 09/04/2005 8:05:59 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Riley

Oh my, I meant you werre a BMW trunk latch, so much better than the other trunk latches.

Would you feel better if I said you were a hood ornament?


144 posted on 09/04/2005 8:06:44 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: SkyPilot
He is the John Wayne dude the Mayor referred to admiringly, is he not?

I am glad that you have reported that we have turned the corner. Thank God!
145 posted on 09/04/2005 8:07:06 PM PDT by Archidamus (We are wise because we are not so highly educated as to look down on our laws and customs)
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To: sit-rep

"Nazi" is an ideology. People chose to behave certain ways based on that ideology.


"Black" is a question of melatonin.

"Criminal" is the word you're looking for, not black. "Criminal," like "nazi," is an ideology--a choice to behave in certain ways.

The guilty are criminals. They might also be black. They are not criminals because they are black.


146 posted on 09/04/2005 8:07:08 PM PDT by Petronski (I love Cyborg.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Excuse me but, that's awful. There is no excuse for language like that especially from a man claiming to read the Holy Bible. It does nothing for his character to use such language when talking about things of God. He's just a man and through the grace of God only I sure hope he made it to heaven.


147 posted on 09/04/2005 8:08:20 PM PDT by Bittersweetmd
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To: cajungirl

I'd see through it like a windshield.


148 posted on 09/04/2005 8:08:48 PM PDT by Riley (STOP CASTING POROSITY!!)
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To: Petronski
It would be nice to see a copy of this article, since everything else contradicts it. The reference leaves a bit to be desired in terms of specifics.
149 posted on 09/04/2005 8:09:57 PM PDT by Archidamus (We are wise because we are not so highly educated as to look down on our laws and customs)
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To: saquin
I'm sure there's been some crime but it seems to me some of the media has been broadcasting hysteria and rumor.

If it makes you feel better to think that the stories coming out of NO are hysteria and rumor, well, bless your heart. You need to just keep thinking that.

150 posted on 09/04/2005 8:11:34 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: saquin

I heard the doc on the medical team say he refused to go back as his life was in danger.

Enough for me. I think some attracted the gangsters and others didn't.

And good people were there. Cowed by the thugs.


151 posted on 09/04/2005 8:12:16 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: Lorianne

It's a great, gripping story--but it'll never be made into a movie, unless the roving gangs are transformed into skinheads.


152 posted on 09/04/2005 8:12:43 PM PDT by denydenydeny ("As a Muslim of course I am a terrorist"--Sheikh Omar Brooks, quoted in the London Times 8/7/05)
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To: BadAndy
Not really, since well over two percent of the world's population is black. The people in the dome were not typical of New Orleans nor typical of blacks, they were a subset of the black New Orleans population, that for many reasons were far less kind and far more aggressive than the typical black in New Orleans or else where.
153 posted on 09/04/2005 8:13:16 PM PDT by Archidamus (We are wise because we are not so highly educated as to look down on our laws and customs)
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To: Travis McGee

Great pic. Spread it around.


154 posted on 09/04/2005 8:13:40 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: groanup
It isn't a race thing it is a cultural thing. My children go to a high school that is about 50% housing project. One of my son's classmates was robbed of his MP3 player. He chased the SOB's down and when he caught them, they threw him to the ground and proceeded to kick him in the head. They already had the upper hand and this kid was insane for doing what he did. But they KICKED HIM IN THE HEAD. They tried to kill him.

I know of 2 very similar situations in my city. The two kids were maimed for life. Almost murdered by a group/gang of kids from low income housing developments. This is not racist to say it is just one of the facts. The two events happened in two separate incidents.
155 posted on 09/04/2005 8:14:57 PM PDT by Bittersweetmd
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To: af_vet_1981
These gangs of animals must be hunted down and killed. There is no other solution.

"Animals" is the operative word here, and not just in the Superdome, either. I've had it with the thugs sniping at anyone tring to fix the problems in the city. I say the next time a building is identified as a source of snipers, an Apache attack helicopter is dispatched and the occupants given two minutes to come out with their hands up before the building is thoroughly strafed (I wouldn't waste a Hellfire on those creeps).
156 posted on 09/04/2005 8:15:34 PM PDT by Windcatcher (Earth to libs: MARXISM DOESN'T SELL HERE. Try somewhere else.)
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To: muawiyah

Why don't you read this account by a relief worker as related to her by someone in the Dome and tell us all how those kids are liars.

You sound demented.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1477440/posts?page=241#241


157 posted on 09/04/2005 8:16:15 PM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: Lorianne

Sad that it takes these foreigners to show us how Americans SHOULD have acted in a crisis.



Bless the Aussies!


158 posted on 09/04/2005 8:16:41 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (Life is short, dance nekkid and wiggle your butt!)
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To: Lorianne
Mr Hopes, 32, said: "That was the worst place in the universe. Ninety-eight per cent of the people around the world are good. In that place, 98 per cent of the people were bad.

Yep, and guess what? They're now warm and snug in the Astrodome, plotting their next outrages.

Look for crime spikes all around Texas, Arkansas, Louisiana, Missouri and Mississippi.

The more I read, the more I think this hurricane was a cleansing rather than a disaster.

159 posted on 09/04/2005 8:17:06 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: Bittersweetmd
Patton was a vulgar man. He was also cultured and educated.

I don't use that kind of language myself, but I am not going to presume to judge Patton on the basis of his cruder aspects, when he was so instrumental in the eradication of one of mankind's greatest evils.
160 posted on 09/04/2005 8:17:14 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Peace Begins in the Womb)
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