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Was President Bush Forced to Use the Insurrection Act?
Chron Watch ^ | 06 September 2005 | Barbara J. Stock

Posted on 09/06/2005 6:53:29 PM PDT by Lando Lincoln

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To: Peach
Question:

If a WMD with chems and/or bios and particuarly a suitcase nuke, is set off on Capitol Hill or in the business district of Washington, D.C. by you know who, the power grid goes out, the FEMA tells people to evacuate due to contamination, and within several hours widespread looting and chaos erupts ONLY SIX BLOCKS FROM THE WHITE HOUSE, (and re: Posse Comitatus) does the President have to wait for an OK from Mayor Tony Williams, or Elizabeth Holmes Norton of D.C.? D.C. being a federal district, and not a state, and all.

You when/if it comes to this, the criminal element and looters-in-waiting will erupt with one huge roar, guns blazing, most likely heading for The White House, the Capitol, and/or upscale Northwest or Georgetown, after trashing sections of D.C. in the center of the city. I hope FEMA sure has a plan for THIS potential nightmare of a headache.

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21 posted on 09/06/2005 7:21:06 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (USA should be studied by StateDept. as a "Foreign Country". Then will see OUR insurgents and chaos.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Hmmm. There should be, and may be, a way around this. In fact, I think I read some of the wording that gives the okay to get around local/state government, but it's pretty drastic.


22 posted on 09/06/2005 7:23:45 PM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: Spktyr
In other words, the snipers shooting at the cops and NG and keeping them away were insurgents and this *was* an insurrection.

Awesome article. Can you imagine what was going through the Presidents mind seeing the suffering and having his hands tied by corrupt Louisiana politicians ? As bad as this makes the Dimwits look, in reality this author could have made it worse. Remember Tuesday or was it Wednesday when the MSM was basically trying to incite race warfare throughout this country. In my mind this was beyond an insurrection, it was an attempted coup hiding within the howling winds of a natural disaster.

23 posted on 09/06/2005 7:23:56 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: wagglebee

Cheney would be PERFECT for this. And we can't wait to be invited on the talk shows because it isn't going to happen, imo. Press conferences need to be held and GOP e-mails sent out and maybe even some commercials, although that's probably too crass given the loss of life.


24 posted on 09/06/2005 7:24:43 PM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Bush sent NG into New York City under federal command for non-relief purposes due to national security. There is your answer.


25 posted on 09/06/2005 7:26:04 PM PDT by JacksonMS
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To: Peach
In fact, I think I read some of the wording that gives the okay to get around local/state government, but it's pretty drastic.

Lets just say for the sake of sanity that the military personnel that went in were members of the peoples militia and they were deputized by our Constitution.

26 posted on 09/06/2005 7:27:30 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: SandyInSeattle
I've had to deal with my liberal co-workers and this issue all day and I'm sick of it. Not a brain cell among the entire bunch. All I hear is that Bush didn't do enough, or that all of the military is over in Iraq and couldn't help in NO. No one had anything critical to say about NO mayor or the LA governor.
Well, I have printed this and other stories found here in FR and they will be left within eyesight of my co-workers tomorrow. I just don't know if they can read!
27 posted on 09/06/2005 7:27:56 PM PDT by unbiasedtruth
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To: Lando Lincoln

Thank you, Lando!


28 posted on 09/06/2005 7:28:07 PM PDT by Jank (Jank)
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To: dawn53
I do not believe he issued the Insurrection Act.

I hope not, or an awful lot of people are going to have a fight with their insurance companies to collect on their insurance policies.

29 posted on 09/06/2005 7:28:16 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: Lando Lincoln

Hmmm? Refresh my memory. Posted on FR regarding interview with Mayor Culpa and his statement about Bush/Blanco meeting on Air Force One. Mayor stated Bush said he gave Blanco two options. Did Mayor actually describe both of those options?


30 posted on 09/06/2005 7:28:36 PM PDT by not-an-ostrich
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To: justa-hairyape

What do you mean?


31 posted on 09/06/2005 7:29:01 PM PDT by Peach (South Carolina is praying for our Gulf coast citizens.)
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To: JacksonMS

Posse Commitatus does NOT apply when the event could be an act of war. The second plane striking the towers made it a potential act of war and posse commitatus no longer applied.

Hurricanes, until someone develops real weather control tech, are still not a potential act of war, but an "act of God'.


32 posted on 09/06/2005 7:29:06 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Lando Lincoln

Very well written article, leaving the Dims no wiggle room.


33 posted on 09/06/2005 7:29:19 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: Lando Lincoln
Good article, but with at least one error:

"The largest military evacuation the world has ever seen..."

If memory, Google & Wikipedia serve me correctly, "In total 338,226 troops were evacuated (220,000 British, 120,000 French, some Belgian and Dutch, and even some German prisoners of war) aboard around more than 900 vessels."

People from all over Britain came in the small boats necessary to ferry troops from the beach to larger ships. Between May 28 and June 4, 1940 they rescued these troops from the advancing German army.

The Association of Dunkirk Little Ships has a great website at:

http://www.adls.org.uk/
34 posted on 09/06/2005 7:29:50 PM PDT by BwanaNdege ("Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try. !"-Yoda)
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To: Lando Lincoln

The President was negotiating on who was in charge not on whether or not to send in the military. Blanco won. The State is still in charge. While some of this is right, the whole write-up should be ignored unless all of its claims can be substantiated.


35 posted on 09/06/2005 7:30:34 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Lando Lincoln
I think so.

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TITLE 10 > Subtitle A > PART I > CHAPTER 15 >

§ 333. Interference with State and Federal law

Release date: 2004-03-18

The President, by using the militia or the armed forces, or both, or by any other means, shall take such measures as he considers necessary to suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy, if it—

(1) so hinders the execution of the laws of that State, and of the United States within the State, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted authorities of that State are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection; or

(2) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.

In any situation covered by clause (1), the State shall be considered to have denied the equal protection of the laws secured by the Constitution.

Mash for full text

36 posted on 09/06/2005 7:30:48 PM PDT by don-o (Don't be a Freeploader. Do the right thing and become a Monthly Donor!)
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37 posted on 09/06/2005 7:32:11 PM PDT by Mo1
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Question:

If a WMD with chems and/or bios and particuarly a suitcase nuke, is set off on Capitol Hill or in the business district of Washington, D.C. by you know who, the power grid goes out, the FEMA tells people to evacuate due to contamination, and within several hours widespread looting and chaos erupts ONLY SIX BLOCKS FROM THE WHITE HOUSE, (and re: Posse Comitatus) does the President have to wait for an OK from Mayor Tony Williams, or Elizabeth Holmes Norton of D.C.? D.C. being a federal district, and not a state, and all.

The District of Columbia is not a state. It has no representation in Congress. Congress has total authority for how the district is governed. Back in the 1960's Congress enacted legislation allowing limited self rule, but the US government can do just about anything it wants to do there.

38 posted on 09/06/2005 7:32:18 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (France is an example of retrograde chordate evolution.)
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To: Spktyr

Yep. I was just answering the poster's question about a dirty bomb in DC. The two events aren't comparable in terms of presidential response.


39 posted on 09/06/2005 7:33:28 PM PDT by JacksonMS
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To: Peach
Our military personal that took control, our fellow citizens who guarded their neighborhoods with small arms, our rescue workers that defended themselves with small arms, they all took it upon themselves to save the Lost City of New Orleans. We have that right as clearly stated within the US Constitution. This was legally an act of our militia.
40 posted on 09/06/2005 7:33:31 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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