Skip to comments.A Barrier That Could Have Been (environmentalist suit stopped New Orleans project)
Posted on 09/09/2005 9:15:45 AM PDT by Libloather
A Barrier That Could Have Been
Congress OKd a project to protect New Orleans 40 years ago, but an environmentalist suit halted it. Some say it could have worked.
By Ralph Vartabedian and Peter Pae, Times Staff Writer
September 9, 2005
In the wake of Hurricane Betsy 40 years ago, Congress approved a massive hurricane barrier to protect New Orleans from storm surges that could inundate the city.
But the project, signed into law by President Johnson, was derailed in 1977 by an environmental lawsuit. Now the question is: Could that barrier have protected New Orleans from the damage wrought by Hurricane Katrina?
"If we had built the barriers, New Orleans would not be flooded," said Joseph Towers, the retired chief counsel for the Army Corps of Engineers New Orleans district.
Tower's view is endorsed by a former key senator, along with academic experts, who say a hurricane barrier is the only way to control the powerful storm surges that enter Lake Pontchartrain and threaten the city. Other experts are less sure, saying the barrier would have been no match for Katrina.
The project was stopped in its tracks when an environmental lawsuit won a federal injunction on the grounds that the Army's environmental impact statement was flawed. By the mid-1980s, the Corps of Engineers abandoned the project.
The project faced formidable opposition not only from environmentalists but from regional government officials outside of New Orleans who argued that the barriers would choke commerce and harm marine life in ecologically sensitive Lake Pontchartrain.
(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...
A worker watches the water flow out of a 30 inch pipe that pumps out 27,000 gallons of water per minute in Metairie, La., Tuesday Sept. 6 2005. Water is now being pumped out of the city after officials repaired a broken flood wall. (AP Photo/Steven Senne)
Another page and a half of info at the link...
Envirofacism - killing us all, one disaster at a time...
Wow, the truth is even beginning to leak out in the L.A. Times. Hey Dims, the end is near!
What kind of loser is an "environmentalist?" It must be the lowest form of employment, even lower than dish washer.
'Environmentalist, helping to move society back to the Stone Age one disaster at a time'
If this is true -- and it appears to be -- the environmental group that sued to prevent the barrier construction should pay for all the damages caused by its absence.
Two years ago the fires that destroyed hundreds of homes in San Diego were fueled by dead underbrush that could not be cleared because the envirofascists had brought lawsuit after lawsuit to prohibit it's removal.
maybe some kind lawyer will file a class action against the Serria KLUB and ask for a billion dollars for the people injured by Katrina. That would make some folks in California reach for their wallets big time.
I wrest my case!!! EnvironMentalism... The new home for Communism right here in America!!!
They're turning America into the land of "Hell and High Water!" (They're (the pumpers) having to fight to keep the bodies from getting into intakes of the pumps, today!)
My thoughts too. The truth is slowly coming to light.
I have heard, but I do not know if it is accurate or true, but If they had used asbestos in the Twin Towers as a fire retardent, the buildings MAY not have collapsed. Of course they were not able to use asbestos because of environmental concerns...
Hopefully some very good and very hungry trial lawyers will sue these elite watermelons, the governor, da mayor, and the rats in congress for killing and harming innocents.
The poor refugees of N O's could end up owning the governor, da mayor and about half of congress after civil trials.
Make that the private, tax-exempt, "charitable" foundations that support those groups financially and you've got a plan.
A good many of them are exempt from lawsuits under Clinton EO-12986.
Maybe,you could explain to the freepers not familiar with
Clinton EO-12986, what it did to protect the limo watermelon elites who set up these potential disasters.
Thank you so much for the ping; I'd have missed this otherwise.
I've saved the article and sent it to my e-mail group.
I'm rather surprised the LA Times published this, but it confirms what we have heard about the envirowackos being partly to blame.
That grim smile is on my face, under the environmental method of land control.
Not really just the lawyers after they get their cut.everyone else will get $10 off their water bill or some such nonsence
The job of these NGOs is to restrict acccess to resources to those who own the tax-exempt, "charitable" foundations that support them. They system operates on a foundation of treaty laws organized by the IUCN and with staff drawn from the NGOs. They use that treaty law and the courts to maintain shortages and thus guarantee a price support system.
I call that enviro-racketeering, tax fraud, manipulation, etc. The problem with busting them is that the NGOs effectively launder the money.
What is it that compells these judges to issue these stop work orders that discourage Federal Agencies from doing their jobs??? It's not Clinton's EO's!!!
Please continue shedding light on the EO's, but there are two fronts on this battlefield and judicial tyranny is the other one!!!
The EO merely protects the NGO from lawsuits so that they can bring these actions more fearlessly.
Please continue shedding light on the EO's, but there are two fronts on this battlefield and judicial tyranny is the other one!!!
Obviously, but that isn't what I was asked to explain, but if you go back and re-read the post, I think you'll see it in there.
I think Greenpeace will have to change their name to BrownPiece
Yeah, but look at all the cool wetlands. Nothing quite like a wild and scenic river...(sarcasm off)
I was just in the process of looking for this!
"Two years ago the fires that destroyed hundreds of homes in San Diego were fueled by dead underbrush that could not be cleared because the envirofascists had brought lawsuit after lawsuit to prohibit it's removal."
Let's not forget when the enviros wouldn't let them cut fire trails in the great North West and all the fires that ensued...
I wish each one of the politican/morons would HAVE to count out (using paper squares, gravel, whatever) equal to the dollar amount that will be spent on rebuilding NO. And even then I don't think they would understand the cost.
Shoulda, woulda, coulda. Whether this flood control program would have worked or not is sheer speculation. I am a little dismayed that a 30 year old lawsuit is being used to point fingers here. A watertight dome over the entire city would have been useless if somebody failed to close the door. The best laid plans of mice and men can be undone at Nature's whim. Ignore that at your peril.
From where I sit, preparation was lacking, and as such, the primary reason for the chaos and excessive loss of life that ensued. Perhaps nothing could have stopped the flooding.
They are falling all over themselves to see who can be more generous with taxpayer money.
Is that constitutional ?
"signed into law by President Johnson,"
I was just wondering, LBJ was president from 1963 to 1969, Nixon from 1969 to 1974, Gerald Ford from 1974 to 1977, Jimmy Carter was president from 1977 to 1981.
What happened between 1969 and 1977, perhaps it was caught up in the court system!?
Its gotten to the point where I'm sick of the whole lot of them. This fighting over "It was Bush's fault"; "No it was FEMA's fault"; "No it was Corp of Engineer's fault"; "No it was the Demrats fault" has just been my final straw with the politicians in our great country. They too busy pointing fingers and handing out our hard earned money than to be reasonable, logical, and intelligent.
Not true. It was the blasting off of the fireproofing material on the structural elements that led to the collapse, and asbestos would have been blown off just as readily, if not more so. Here's one take on the matter from a professional:
The column, "Asbestos Could Have Saved WTC Lives," by Steven Milloy, was forwarded to me. I appreciate being able to read it. I would like to correct an assumption Mr. Milloy made that asbestos insulation would have prevented the collapse. (I'm a licensed architect practising in NYC.)
The structural insulation used in WTC was just as good fireproofing as the wet asbestos system so that was not the cause of the collapse. What caused it was the blasting away of fireproofing from structural steel of the core and floor structure by impact of the aircraft and explosion of its fuel as well as extremely high heat of the flaming fuel well above the capability of the fireproofing and as the effect of the high heat on the steelwork.
Asbestos would have been not better in resisting this level of heat. Indeed, sprayed-on asbestos might well have been blasted away more readily than other material due to its lightweight, loose-fiber constituency.
All methods of fireproofing systems are rated by the number of hours of fire-resistance they provide, 1-hr, 2-hr, 3-hr and so on. This is true no matter what material is used, asbestos or any other of a variety of fireproofing materials. The rating is set by laboratory testing of samples of materials by accredited testing laboratories, and the results are published in fire-resistance handbooks used by design professionals, building officials and insurance underwriters to comply with building codes.
Asbestos was a wonderful material but turned out to have the fatal flaw of being carcinogenic. Other materials have been found that match asbestos for its excellent qualities but do not have its fatal flaw. "
Prego! It's in there!!! (grin) I wasn't asking just for myself...
Their time is coming, first the forest fires, now this, their ticking time bombs of destruction are starting to explode and the PUBLIC will KNOW.
You absolutely right. Regardless whether this particular 30 year old project could have helped or not, the point is, the envirowhackos put moss and algae over and above people's safety.
When added together, the fires, the anti-nuke energy, the anti drilling, etc, etc, have contributed more economic and real human suffering than an invading army.
Now that would be a good find.
Well... Can you? I certainly would like to see that reserrected RIGHT NOW!!! (doesn't FR have an archive data base?)
Oh, it is probably in there alright...
Save Our Wetlands, Inc. offers educational workshops and seminars on environmental awareness topics. To schedule such, contact Save Our Wetlands at:
Since their formation SOWL has been fighting for you to save our precious wetlands and to develop educational programs for environmental awareness and ecological improvement.
FACT: While politicians talk, SOWL sues! SOWL has been involved in countless lawsuits involving Lake Ponchartrain on every subject....from the New Orleans Levee Board Airport Expansion Plan, Bucktown Marina Expansion Plan, New Orleans Mosquito Control Drainage schemes in wetlands of New Orleans East, Eden Isle Subdivision on the north shores of Lake Ponchartrain, Orlanda Subdivision, Corps of Engineers Hurricane Barrier Project, shell dredging in Lake Ponchartrain, Waterford Nuclear Plant...to the Marathon Oil Company canals in the wetlands of St. Charles and St. John the Baptist parishes.
FACT: SOWL SAVED LAKE PONCHARTRAIN - In 1977, SOWL obtained an injunction from U.S. District Judge Charles Schwartz enjoining the Corps of Engineers from building a billion dollar dam at the Chef Mentaur Rigolets Fort Pike Area, where the Gulf of Mexico enters into Lake Ponchartrain. Had SOWL not obtained this injunction, Lake Ponchartrain would be a stagnant body of water and over 28,000 acres of wetlands in New Orleans East would have been developed into the Orlanda Subdivision.
FACT: SOWL filed two lawsuits against NASA's plan to test advanced solid rocket motor fuel in Gulfport, Mississippi. Each static test firing would have released 235,000 pounds of hydrogen chloride gas and 365,000 pounds of aluminum oxide gas falling greatly on the Honey Island Swamp and into Lake Ponchartrain. SOWL worked diligently with the Confederation of American Scientists in Washington, D.C. to stop congressional funding for the proposed ecological holocaust.
FACT: SOWL filed suit against the proposed Formosa Chemical Plant - described as "environmental outlaws" by Texas authorities. This plant would have destroyed the last remaining green belt left in the New Orleans area known as "cancer corridor." Formosa withdrew its plan after the SOWL law suit was filed.
FACT: SOWL has produced over a dozen thirty minute television programs shown on Cox Cable in New Orleans. SOWL is presently attempting to establish a SOWL environmental television network in New Orleans. The Honorable Marc Morial, Mayor of New Orleans, has issued a strong letter of support on this project. SOWL is the founder of ECOVISION.
FACT: SOWL has filed suit against the New Orleans Levee Board's proposed $20 million hotel to be constructed on the shores of Lake Ponchartrain next to a gambling boat and proposed four-mile island.
FACT: SOWL and three other environmental plaintiffs files suit to stop the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers West Pearl River Dredging Project. This Corps project would have opened up the West Pearl to commercial barge traffic and destroyed one of America's remaining wild rivers. U.S. District Court Judge Thomas Porteous issued an injunction against this Corps "Pork Barrel" Project.
FACT: SOWL is presently fighting to save 2,900 wetland acres on the north shore of Lake Ponchartrain. Through litigation and pressure, SOWL has been able to keep Eden Isles Subdivision from developing approximately 2,900 acres of a once vast wetland sanctuary in Slidell, Louisiana. SOWL is attempting to get this tract restored into a state or federal wetland sanctuary park.
FACT: SOWL has always fought bitterly against the United States Army Corps of Engineers. Since 1974, SOWL has consistently put pressure and exposed the Corps, New Orleans Division, for blatant and reckless issuance of permits that are ecologically disastrous.In 1975, SOWL filed documents in the United States District Court requesting that a special Grand Jury be formed to investigate the Corps of Engineers participation in federal criminal laws for permitting and abetting the illegal diking and damning of navigable bodies of water in Lake Ponchartrain resulting in the Eden Isles Subdivision and the destruction of 5,300 acres of a once vast wetland sanctuary.
FACT: SOWL has also filed a suit naming the same tract of land around Lake Pontchartrain in U. S. District Court, New Orleans, against the U. S. Corps of Engineers for issuing a permit to Tammany Holding Corporation to develop this tract without requiring an environmental impact study as required by the National Environmental Policy Act.
The legal department of SOWL was also actively involved in the Alaskan Valdez disaster and are avid supporters of SAVE THE DOLPHINS.
If you would like to make a tax deductible donattion you can email us at:
Before we spent Billions to restore New Orleans.....I think we need to shut down the Enviornmentalist...or refuse to spend the MONEY!
I think you found it. Disgusting, isn't it? But the ecoweenies will never admit they were wrong. Never.