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What joy! Boys wearing nail polish
WorldNetDaily ^ | 9/10/05 | Glenn Sacks

Posted on 09/10/2005 5:15:18 PM PDT by wagglebee

It's one thing to be respectful of gays and gay parents. It's quite another to engineer a deceptive study and use it to assert that lesbian families are a better environment in which to raise boys than heterosexual families. That's what former Stanford University gender scholar Peggy F. Drexler, Ph.D. does in her new book, "Raising Boys Without Men: How Maverick Moms Are Creating the Next Generation of Exceptional Men." Not surprisingly, a friendly mainstream media is helping her promote her claims.

In the book's opening pages, Drexler's message is one of tolerance for various family forms, as she notes that lesbian and single-mother families "can" effectively raise boys. But "Raising Boys" soon devolves into outright advocacy of lesbian parenting. In Drexler's world, lesbian families – protected from fathers and their toxic masculinity – are the best environments in which to raise boys. Married heterosexual mothers try their best, but the positive influence these hapless moms try to impart to their children is overwhelmed by that of the malevolent family patriarch.

According to Drexler, lesbian moms are "more sophisticated about how they teach their sons right from wrong" than heterosexual couples, and there are "real advantages for a boy being raised in this new type of family." Heterosexual mothers don't measure up in "moral attitude" and are less likely than lesbian moms to "create opportunities for their sons to examine moral and values issues." This in turn slows the "moral development in their sons."

Furthermore, Drexler asserts that boys raised by lesbians "grow up emotionally stronger," "have a wider range of interests and friendships" and "appear more at ease in situations of conflict" than boys from "traditional" (i.e., father-present) households. Fatherless boys "exhibit a high degree of emotional savvy ... an intuitive grasp of people and situations." Best of all, sons of lesbian couples are much more willing to discard traditional masculinity than boys trapped in heterosexual households.

For example, Fiona's son paints his nails, while both of Maria's sons dance ballet. Ursula's son chose sewing and cooking for his electives in seventh grade. Kathy's son has rejected playing baseball as being "too competitive" – no surprise, because in their local, father-led baseball league, "the better players get more playing time."

Yet Drexler's research has obvious flaws. For one, the families she studied were middle to upper class, older women who volunteered to have their lives intimately scrutinized over a multiyear period – an unrepresentative, self-selected sample.

More importantly, her research suffers from confirmatory bias – Drexler saw what she wanted to see. Drexler is not an objective social scientist, but instead a passionate advocate for lesbian mothers. She calls the "maverick mothers" raising sons without men "avatars of a new social movement" and says her book's "stories, voices, data and findings will reassure, hearten and empower" them. Her research did not measure objective indices of child well-being, such as rates of juvenile crime, drop-outs or teen pregnancy. Instead, Drexler personally conducted interviews of mothers and their sons and made subjective judgments about their family lives. It is not surprising that Drexler found lesbian families to her liking. In fact, her dogged determination to see only good in lesbian couples and problems in heterosexual ones at times reaches absurd proportions.

For example, though Drexler doesn't seem to notice, her lesbian moms, particularly the "social" (i.e., non-biological moms), cheerfully endure insults and disrespect that no parent should ever tolerate. Carol's son calls her "stupid." Bianca's son calls her "lazy." Martha's son hops into her bed and effectively tells Martha tough luck, sucker – go sleep somewhere else. Thankfully, in each case progressive lesbian mom dealt with the problem through patience and talking. By contrast, Dad – who Drexler usually portrays as being overly strict – would probably have had junior pull weeds in the yard for a few hours as he waves goodbye to his PlayStation. He is (sigh) sadly unenlightened.

For Drexler, boys raised by lesbians are a better breed than those raised by heterosexual couples. When Drexler was struggling to hold on to her briefcase and her bags, 11-year-old Damien saw "that I needed help and immediately offered it." Drexler is taken aback – a boy being helpful and caring? She notes, "When I thought about it later, it clicked in my head: This is a boy being raised by two moms."

Lesbian-raised Cody helps clean up the playroom. Lesbian-raised Brad offers Drexler a stool to sit on when she comes to his room to interview her. Both considerations are the product, we are assured, of their special upbringings. Yet Drexler could have found many kind, helpful, empathetic boys raised by heterosexual couples – like my 12 year-old son, who recently told his grandparents, "I want you to move next door to us, even though it will mean more chores for me" – if only she had been willing to look.

At the same time, Drexler refuses to see obvious indications that the boys she interviews need fathers. When one of Brad's two moms picks him up from the day-care center after work, every day she has to pry the 6-year-old off of the leg of an after-school worker named Ron to whom Brad is – pun intended – quite attached. A less determined researcher might see this as evidence of Brad's need for a dad. Not Drexler, who instead tells us that, given Ron's presence, Brad's mom "knew she didn't need to worry about Brad's lack of an everyday father in his life."

Julia's little boy says, "I want a daddy." Darlene's little boy tells his mom: "We could find a daddy and he could move in with us." Three-year-old Ian – fatherless by the decision of his "single mother by choice" mom, Leslie – watches TV with mom, continually pointing at male figures on the screen and saying, "There's my daddy." Leslie explains, "No, we don't have a daddy in our family," but little Ian doesn't get it and continues to point and ask. A problem? Not according to Drexler, who writes, "Will some little boys trail after men they don't even know, perk up at lower-decibel voices or hang on to the pant legs of the men who cross their paths? Maybe." But whatever it is, she assures us, it isn't father hunger.

She enthuses that "sons of lesbians went to great efforts to define the terms of the bonds and relationships in their lives that the boys from straight families seemed to take for granted. All terms in their lives were complex." Is this a good thing?

Drexler does allow that some male figures can be positive for boys. Who? "Grandfathers, godfathers, uncles, family friends, coaches" – in short, anybody but dad. In fact, boys being raised without fathers benefit because they enjoy "more male figures in their lives than boys from traditional families." But more does not mean better, and a group of men with little stake in a boy's life are a poor substitute for a father's love and devotion to his children. Nor can they provide the modeling that boys need – the best way for a boy to learn how to become a good husband and father is to watch his father do it.

Drexler believes that boys in heterosexual families are worse off because they are "stuck with a single male role model" – dad – whereas in lesbian families boys are free to choose their own. Yet a child does not have the judgment to properly select his own role models, even with a parent's input. The fact that fatherless boys usually choose older, rebellious, thuggish boys as their role models – and are often led by them to their perdition – eludes Drexler.

Drexler holds up a variety of other family forms and "nonofficial parenting figures" as alternatives to heterosexual, married families, including Hillary Clinton's village, "communal living" and "seed daddies." She approvingly quotes a columnist who writes, "With so many single mothers around, and double mothers becoming less of a novelty, it is the children of traditional couples who are going to be asked, 'Who is that man in your house?'"

The boys Drexler studied don't need their dads, but instead benefit because their absence helps create what one might call the "maternal dictatorship." For Ursula, the single mother of two boys, Drexler enthuses that there's "no discussion about parenting methodologies. No crossed signals ... no compromising ... the decisions, the choices, the priorities were all hers." Better yet, "lesbian co-parents achieve a particularly high level of parenting skills ... [and] a greater level of agreement than heterosexual couples. A higher degree of consensus cut down on conflict in the home, enabling a clear message of love and support to be heard by the kids."

Drexler has it exactly wrong – conflict over parenting methods and strategies is not a negative but a positive, for two competing and different viewpoints wean out bad ideas and help preserve good ones. This is particularly true in heterosexual couples, where both male and female perspectives are considered in decision-making. By contrast, in single parent homes ideas and parenting strategies are implemented without consultation, and the effect can be harmful. In lesbian homes, parenting strategies are used on boys without input from anyone who actually knows what it's like to be a boy.

While "Raising Boys" is being promoted as a harmless, feel-good affirmation for "maverick moms," it is in fact an attack on the institution that research shows is the best-suited to raising children – the family. Drexler encourages women thinking of having fatherless children to make that "leap of faith." But the rates of all major youth pathologies, including juvenile crime, teen pregnancy, teen drug abuse and school dropouts, are tightly correlated with fatherlessness. Drexler waxes poetic about the nebulous benefits of fatherless parenting, but makes little attempt to explain why fatherless families produce so many troubled and pathological children.

The boys raised by the well-heeled, educated San Francisco lesbian couples Drexler studied will probably do better than most fatherless boys because their socioeconomic status is higher. But nothing in Drexler's research indicates that an extra mom can replace the strength, tough love and modeling a father gives his son.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
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This is just disgusting!
1 posted on 09/10/2005 5:15:24 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee
Exceptional Men.

nothing exceptional about emasculated bitch euro sissies.

2 posted on 09/10/2005 5:16:32 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (we don't need no stinkin' tagline.)
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To: little jeremiah; DirtyHarryY2K

Homosexual agenda ping.


3 posted on 09/10/2005 5:16:43 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee
It's one thing to be respectful of gays and gay parents.

STOP THE TAPE.

4 posted on 09/10/2005 5:17:23 PM PDT by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: wagglebee

Oh joyous day! Finally!!! It's acceptable to wear in publi... oh... um.. nevermind.


5 posted on 09/10/2005 5:17:43 PM PDT by new cruelty
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To: wagglebee
"Raising Boys Without Men: How Maverick Moms Are Creating the Next Generation of Exceptional Men." Not surprisingly, a friendly mainstream media is helping her promote her claims.

an utter lie.....Lucifer at work.

6 posted on 09/10/2005 5:17:45 PM PDT by wardaddy (OK.....it was my fault.)
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To: TADSLOS

I think it's possible to be "respectful" by avoiding them at all costs.


7 posted on 09/10/2005 5:18:12 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

Ugh!


8 posted on 09/10/2005 5:18:43 PM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: wagglebee
In Drexler's world, lesbian families – protected from fathers and their toxic masculinity – are the best environments in which to raise boys.

Aren't lesbians supposed to be very masculine?
9 posted on 09/10/2005 5:19:18 PM PDT by DoraC (To insist on strength is not war-mongering. It is peace-mongering.)
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To: wagglebee

This is child abuse in a normal world!


10 posted on 09/10/2005 5:19:23 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: wagglebee

Well, since I am a malevolent family patriarch to my two boys, I guess I should listen to Ms. Drexler, reject my family values, and leave my wife and family. That way, I can help to ensure that my two boys and little girl will all grow up to espouse the homosexual values that our society so desparately needs.

No, on second thought, Drexler can go ahead and bite it!!!


11 posted on 09/10/2005 5:19:24 PM PDT by minerboy (Proud to be banned by the DU.)
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To: wagglebee
"Fiona's son paints his nails, while both of Maria's sons dance ballet. Ursula's son chose sewing and cooking for his electives in seventh grade. Kathy's son has rejected playing baseball as being "too competitive"

OH...MY...GOD

We got to beat the somomites back from the gates.

12 posted on 09/10/2005 5:20:32 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: DoraC

I think so. What the hell is "toxic" masculinity anyway?


13 posted on 09/10/2005 5:20:44 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee
Who is going to rush in to save the blacks in the future if they have to wait for our National Guard to let their nail polish dry after they rinse their satin Khaki panties

. And oh, those icky gun thingies are hell on French tip nails.

14 posted on 09/10/2005 5:20:58 PM PDT by digger48
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To: wagglebee
"Fiona's son paints his nails, while both of Maria's sons dance ballet. Ursula's son chose sewing and cooking for his electives in seventh grade. Kathy's son has rejected playing baseball as being "too competitive"

OH...MY...GOD

We got to beat the sodomites back from the gates.

15 posted on 09/10/2005 5:21:48 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: wagglebee

This dad is about to go hug his two sons and pray to God that He will give me at least enough years to finish rearing them right.


16 posted on 09/10/2005 5:22:13 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest

Great idea!


17 posted on 09/10/2005 5:22:45 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

The report of the two lesbians who tilted the odds so that one could give birth to deaf children by design would seem at odds with this queer study.


18 posted on 09/10/2005 5:25:21 PM PDT by weegee (The lesson from New Orleans? Smart Growth kills. You can't evacuate dense populations easily.)
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To: DoraC
Aren't lesbians supposed to be very masculine?

From what I know about them, (which isn't a lot), one is suppose to be feminine, one masculine.

19 posted on 09/10/2005 5:26:00 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: digger48

Subject: Potentially and Realistically


A young boy went up to his father and asked him, "Dad, what is the
difference between potentially and realistically?"

The father thought for a moment, then answered, "Go ask your mother if she would sleep with Brad Pitt for a million dollars." "Then ask your sister if she would sleep with Brad Pitt for a million dollars, and then, ask your brother if he'd sleep with Brad Pitt for a million
dollars. Come back and tell me what you learn from that."

So the boy went to his mother and asked, "Would you sleep with Brad
Pitt for a million dollars?"
The mother replied, "Of course I ! would! We could really use that
money to fix up the house and ! send you kids to a great University!"

The boy then went to his sister and asked, "Would you sleep with
Brad Pitt for a million dollars?"
The girl replied, "Oh my God! I LOVE Brad Pitt I would sleep with
him in a heartbeat, are you nuts?!?!?! "

The boy then went to his brother and asked, "Would you sleep with
Brad Pitt for a million dollars?"
"Of course," the brother replied. "Do you know how much a million
bucks would buy?"

The boy ! pondered the answers for a few days, then went back to his dad.

His father asked him, "Did you find out the difference between
potentially and realistically?"

The boy replied,"Yes... Potentially, you and I are sitting on Three
Million Dollars.............. but Realistically,......... we're living with two whores and a Queer.


20 posted on 09/10/2005 5:26:16 PM PDT by Mark (Proven scientific experiment: The NY Times flushes easily down the standard toilet.)
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To: wagglebee

respect given is useless. respect earned is priceless. sexual perversion is not a reason for respect.


21 posted on 09/10/2005 5:26:28 PM PDT by pipecorp (Let's have a CRUSADE! , the muslims have already started. 1700 replies and not a single post!)
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To: wagglebee
Best of all, sons of lesbian couples are much more willing to discard traditional masculinity than boys trapped in heterosexual households. Gee... what a plus this is !
22 posted on 09/10/2005 5:30:16 PM PDT by Red Boots
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To: wagglebee
I have enormous sympathy for all children not members of a "nuclear family," defined as a female Mom, a male Dad, and kid(s) of either sex.

I feel sorry for kids that have to grow up in a single parent household.

But I feel particularly sorry for the kids that have to grow up in a fagot household. I can't imagine. The poor kids will be twisted for life.

23 posted on 09/10/2005 5:31:48 PM PDT by upchuck ("If our nation be destroyed, it would be from the judiciary." ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: weegee

Some deaf heterosexual couples have aborted babies that would have been able to hear. They want to raise a child completely within their culture. It's a deaf thing.


24 posted on 09/10/2005 5:31:54 PM PDT by heartwood
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To: wagglebee

Anyone who can think up something that disgusting needs to be beaten...not just a light bruse here and there...but the type of beating that makes you suck air through your teeth and shout, "ouch, that had to hurt."


25 posted on 09/10/2005 5:35:48 PM PDT by Rumwarthor (Seek to do His will.)
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To: EdReform; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; stage left; Yakboy; I_Love_My_Husband; ...
Homosexual Agenda Ping.

Its not "boys" their raising...

Free Republic homosexual agenda keyword search

If you want on/off the ping list let me and little jeremiah know.

26 posted on 09/10/2005 5:36:44 PM PDT by DirtyHarryY2K (http://soapboxharry.blogspot.com/)
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To: wagglebee
In the book's opening pages, Drexler's message is one of tolerance for various family forms, as she notes that lesbian and single-mother families "can" effectively raise boys.

Lesbians and single-mothers teach their boys to ignore what women say, and pay attention to what they do... then ask Cui Bono?

27 posted on 09/10/2005 5:38:02 PM PDT by papertyger
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To: Rumwarthor

Hopefully (and I am very serious about this), some of these "boys" will get beat up in school, that might spark some of their suppressed masculinity and show them how screwed up their situation is. And then some of them might start to rebel against this forced homosexuality.


28 posted on 09/10/2005 5:39:41 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: heartwood

It's a selfish act of child abuse is what it is.

As is bringing children into a barren same sex couple household.


29 posted on 09/10/2005 5:40:02 PM PDT by weegee (The lesson from New Orleans? Smart Growth kills. You can't evacuate dense populations easily.)
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To: wagglebee
Married heterosexual mothers try their best, but the positive influence these hapless moms try to impart to their children is overwhelmed by that of the malevolent family patriarch.

I've known more mothers to fem-up their sons than anything else. Kids take advantage of a (too) strict dad by using mom as a role model for everything, and end up with hobbies like cooking and crochet. If dad were more approachable, then they'd be able to pursue masculine interests.

30 posted on 09/10/2005 5:40:09 PM PDT by SteveMcKing ("I was born a Democrat. I expect I'll be a Democrat the day I leave this earth." -Zell Miller '04)
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To: wagglebee
It's one thing to be respectful of gays and gay parents.

Lost me right there. I feel obligated to be polite, if I encounter anyone of the homosexual persuasion, but I'll decide what I respect, thanks very much.

31 posted on 09/10/2005 5:41:31 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Start the revolution - I'll bring the tea and muffins!)
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To: wagglebee

hmm perhaps a proper title should have been "How lesbian mothers can raise their boys without penises."


32 posted on 09/10/2005 5:42:04 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: wagglebee

Sitzpinklers.


33 posted on 09/10/2005 5:42:58 PM PDT by Peace will be here soon
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To: wagglebee
What the hell is "toxic" masculinity anyway?

I think it's what they leave in the bathrooms, but I make my sons clean up after themselves.

34 posted on 09/10/2005 5:43:02 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Start the revolution - I'll bring the tea and muffins!)
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To: wagglebee

Ted Rall used to get beat up a lot in school. He drew a whole comic book about the guy(s) who "bullied" him.

In retrospect, if he was as much of a jerk then as he is now, he deserved it.

Whatever the cause, the beatings certainly didn't straighten him out.


35 posted on 09/10/2005 5:43:28 PM PDT by weegee (The lesson from New Orleans? Smart Growth kills. You can't evacuate dense populations easily.)
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To: wagglebee

I encountered example of how the gay agenda is being promoted at Books A Million today. I was browsing the magazine section and noticed that the male hetro mags (Penthouse, Playboy, etc) were no longer there. So out of curiosity I asked an employee what had happened to them. She told me they were behind the counter now and one has to ask for them. BUT - GET THIS - the magazines promoting homo lifestyle were still in plain view on the magazine racks.


36 posted on 09/10/2005 5:47:37 PM PDT by proudofthesouth (Boycotting movies since 1988)
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To: weegee

Well, having these kids wear nail polish and take ballet lessons sure as hell isn't going to straighten them out!


37 posted on 09/10/2005 5:48:41 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: pipecorp

There is no reason to respect homosexual behavior.

In fact it should be totally illegal for any homosexual to adopt a child.

Remember many of these homosexual "families" only have ONE legal parent. The sex partner does not adopt the child.

Absent a natural birth, the way homosexuals do adopt is as follows ONE sex partner adopts the child THEN the second child is given guardianship by the first homosexual to the second homosexual. At least in states which allow or have minimal restrictions for "second parent" (homosexual sex partner) adoptions.

These homosexuals are DELUSIONAL and in denial regarding the horrible long term effects upon children.


38 posted on 09/10/2005 5:52:21 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: wagglebee

Toxic masculinity is a women's studies concept which says ALL problems (every single one) is because of masculine behavior.

Feminists believe if they can "de ball" all maleness from society, we would live in perfect harmony. (we would still live in the mud, but we would be in harmony)


39 posted on 09/10/2005 5:54:01 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: longtermmemmory

Unless the child is the natural child of one of the homosexuals, there is no reason they should be allowed to adopt. If people want a family, they need to marry someone of the opposite sex and have children. There are more than enough heterosexual couples who want children but are unable to have them, adoption should be reserved for them.


40 posted on 09/10/2005 5:54:55 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: longtermmemmory
Feminists believe if they can "de ball" all maleness from society, we would live in perfect harmony. (we would still live in the mud, but we would be in harmony)

They better hope like hell nobody ever gets a flat tire!

41 posted on 09/10/2005 5:56:17 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: mlc9852

What is our country becoming and where is the outrage?


42 posted on 09/10/2005 5:56:59 PM PDT by patriciamary
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To: the Deejay

I suspect Angelina Jolie is both.


43 posted on 09/10/2005 5:57:41 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Durka Durka Durka. Muhammed Jihad Durka.)
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To: wagglebee
Gee, I wonder if the spewing Marxist who wrote this book included the inner city ghetto mammas in her little study?

No? You mean it's selective, idiot liberal scholarship once again?

44 posted on 09/10/2005 5:58:52 PM PDT by Reactionary
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To: the Deejay
RE: Aren't lesbians supposed to be very masculine?

From what I know about them, (which isn't a lot), one is suppose to be feminine, one masculine.

So these carpet munching degenerates SIMULATE a man and a woman during their "activities" by which they define themselves.

NOTE that homosexualists define themselves by their abnormal BEHAVIOR and yet as a POLITICAL CLASS they seek special status. The LEFT at work.
45 posted on 09/10/2005 6:02:10 PM PDT by pyx (Rule #1. The LEFT lies. Rule #2. See Rule #1.)
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To: wagglebee
"lesbian moms are "more sophisticated about how they teach their sons right from wrong" "

Yeah. My kindergarten daughter has a class full of boys with no fathers who are disruptive, loud, rude and unmanageable. They need a dad with a strong hand, but only get namby-pamby discipline, if any, (Would you like to sit down, Lance? No? Well, maybe you could hit little Geraldine a little less forcefully, then.) Give me a break!

46 posted on 09/10/2005 6:06:19 PM PDT by jwalburg (If I have not seen as far as others, it is because of the giants standing on my shoulders.)
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To: pyx
She approvingly quotes a columnist who writes, "With so many single mothers around, and double mothers becoming less of a novelty, it is the children of traditional couples who are going to be asked, 'Who is that man in your house?'"

This has happened in our family, BTW. And as far as simulating a man and woman, we have known some lesbian families where at first we debated on whether or not one of them was male...this is sick! Children have no choice and should not be brought up in this kind of garbage.

47 posted on 09/10/2005 6:09:39 PM PDT by andie74 ("No power on earth has a right to take our property from us without our consent." -- John Jay)
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To: pyx
So these carpet munching degenerates SIMULATE a man and a woman during their "activities" by which they define themselves.

Yeah, when they team up as a "couple," one takes the masculine roll, the other feminine.

Maybe not all, but the ones I've seen on tv.

48 posted on 09/10/2005 6:09:54 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: wagglebee

America is devolving into a freak society, much like Europe.

It does not matter who is elected.

We are going to hell.


49 posted on 09/10/2005 6:10:43 PM PDT by tomahawk (Proud to be an enemy of Islam (check out www.prophetofdoom.net))
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To: jwalburg

These boys need men! Why is it so difficult to understand? This gender confusion is GARBAGE!


50 posted on 09/10/2005 6:10:53 PM PDT by andie74 ("No power on earth has a right to take our property from us without our consent." -- John Jay)
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