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Federal Judge Rules Pledge Unconstitutional
Foxnews.com ^ | 9/14/2005 | LeanneMSmith

Posted on 09/14/2005 11:54:13 AM PDT by LeanneMSmith

SAN FRANCISCO — The Pledge of Allegiance (search) was ruled unconstitutional Wednesday by a federal judge who granted legal standing to two families represented by an atheist whose previous attempt to get the pledge out of public schools was rejected by the U.S. Supreme Court.

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1 posted on 09/14/2005 11:54:28 AM PDT by LeanneMSmith
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To: LeanneMSmith

WTF?


2 posted on 09/14/2005 11:55:28 AM PDT by claudiustg (Vote for one Democrat, vote for them all...)
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To: LeanneMSmith

Michael Newdow lives in Sacramento in zip code 95831.

Now watch as the media says over and over that he lives in Elk Grove, seven miles away. They say this to give you the idea that he has standing in the Elk Grove area and he does not.

This schlemiel is one of my neighbors and I know exactly where he lives. You can find the exact address on the 'Net if you look hard enough but I will not post it here.


3 posted on 09/14/2005 12:01:10 PM PDT by PeterFinn (The Holocaust was perfectly legal.)
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To: LeanneMSmith

Judges running amuck in the blue states.


4 posted on 09/14/2005 12:01:56 PM PDT by nisgro
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To: LeanneMSmith

Asphole


5 posted on 09/14/2005 12:03:05 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys-Reagan and Bush)
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To: LeanneMSmith

Total insanity from the s@@thole of liberalism. This leftist judge did not have to be bound by precedent. While precedent does play a part, she could have fought it, but chose not to, because of HER OWN POLITICAL STANDING....

Liberalism is a disease of the mind -- and it permeates our judical system, which continually urinates all over our Constitution...


6 posted on 09/14/2005 12:03:57 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: PeterFinn

Well, again this will be ruled unconstitutional one way or the other by the Supreme Court.

Michael Newdow is a little twit!


7 posted on 09/14/2005 12:06:22 PM PDT by Halls (Terri Schindler Schiavo was murdered legally in our country, NEVER FORGET!!!)
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To: Halls

I hope so and, yes, he is.


8 posted on 09/14/2005 12:07:43 PM PDT by PeterFinn (The Holocaust was perfectly legal.)
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To: LeanneMSmith

http://history.vineyard.net/pledge.htm


The Pledge of Allegiance
A Short History
by Dr. John W. Baer

Copyright 1992 by Dr. John W. Baer
See also www.PledgeQandA.com



Francis Bellamy (1855 - 1931), a Baptist minister, wrote the original Pledge in August 1892. He was a Christian Socialist. In his Pledge, he is expressing the ideas of his first cousin, Edward Bellamy, author of the American socialist utopian novels, Looking Backward (1888) and Equality (1897).

Francis Bellamy in his sermons and lectures and Edward Bellamy in his novels and articles described in detail how the middle class could create a planned economy with political, social and economic equality for all. The government would run a peace time economy similar to our present military industrial complex.

The Pledge was published in the September 8th issue of The Youth's Companion, the leading family magazine and the Reader's Digest of its day. Its owner and editor, Daniel Ford, had hired Francis in 1891 as his assistant when Francis was pressured into leaving his baptist church in Boston because of his socialist sermons. As a member of his congregation, Ford had enjoyed Francis's sermons. Ford later founded the liberal and often controversial Ford Hall Forum, located in downtown Boston.

In 1892 Francis Bellamy was also a chairman of a committee of state superintendents of education in the National Education Association. As its chairman, he prepared the program for the public schools' quadricentennial celebration for Columbus Day in 1892. He structured this public school program around a flag raising ceremony and a flag salute - his 'Pledge of Allegiance.'

His original Pledge read as follows: 'I pledge allegiance to my Flag and (to*) the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.' He considered placing the word, 'equality,' in his Pledge, but knew that the state superintendents of education on his committee were against equality for women and African Americans. [ * 'to' added in October, 1892. ]

Dr. Mortimer Adler, American philosopher and last living founder of the Great Books program at Saint John's College, has analyzed these ideas in his book, The Six Great Ideas. He argues that the three great ideas of the American political tradition are 'equality, liberty and justice for all.' 'Justice' mediates between the often conflicting goals of 'liberty' and 'equality.'

In 1923 and 1924 the National Flag Conference, under the 'leadership of the American Legion and the Daughters of the American Revolution, changed the Pledge's words, 'my Flag,' to 'the Flag of the United States of America.' Bellamy disliked this change, but his protest was ignored.

In 1954, Congress after a campaign by the Knights of Columbus, added the words, 'under God,' to the Pledge. The Pledge was now both a patriotic oath and a public prayer.

Bellamy's granddaughter said he also would have resented this second change. He had been pressured into leaving his church in 1891 because of his socialist sermons. In his retirement in Florida, he stopped attending church because he disliked the racial bigotry he found there.

What follows is Bellamy's own account of some of the thoughts that went through his mind in August, 1892, as he picked the words of his Pledge:

It began as an intensive communing with salient points of our national history, from the Declaration of Independence onwards; with the makings of the Constitution...with the meaning of the Civil War; with the aspiration of the people...

The true reason for allegiance to the Flag is the 'republic for which it stands.' ...And what does that vast thing, the Republic mean? It is the concise political word for the Nation - the One Nation which the Civil War was fought to prove. To make that One Nation idea clear, we must specify that it is indivisible, as Webster and Lincoln used to repeat in their great speeches. And its future?

Just here arose the temptation of the historic slogan of the French Revolution which meant so much to Jefferson and his friends, 'Liberty, equality, fraternity.' No, that would be too fanciful, too many thousands of years off in realization. But we as a nation do stand square on the doctrine of liberty and justice for all...

If the Pledge's historical pattern repeats, its words will be modified during this decade. Below are two possible changes.

Some prolife advocates recite the following slightly revised Pledge: 'I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all, born and unborn.'

A few liberals recite a slightly revised version of Bellamy's original Pledge: 'I pledge allegiance to my Flag, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with equality, liberty and justice for all.'



Bibliography:

Baer, John. The Pledge of Allegiance, A Centennial History, 1892 - 1992, Annapolis, Md. Free State Press, Inc., 1992.
Miller, Margarette S. Twenty-Three Words, Portsmouth, Va. Printcraft Press, 1976.


9 posted on 09/14/2005 12:13:13 PM PDT by Red Badger (BLAME = Democrat .......BALM = Republican.........Which would an evacuee choose?......)
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To: Red Badger

[img]http://www.ce9.uscourts.gov/ladyj.gif[/img]

So what's that next to the lady's right foot? Could that be the 10 Commandments -- on the homepage of the ultra left, no religion in public life, 9th. Circuit?


10 posted on 09/14/2005 12:18:48 PM PDT by Bushwacker777
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but you can write or call this traitor scumbag judge karlton at:

U.S. District Judge Lawrence Karlton
501 I Street, Suite. 4-200
Sacramento, CA 95814
Phone: (916) 930-4000

and let it know what a traitor he is to our country. Declaring the pledge of allegiance unconstitutional. I thought I heard it all...


11 posted on 09/14/2005 12:19:04 PM PDT by Jazzman1
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To: Bushwacker777

http://www.ce9.uscourts.gov


12 posted on 09/14/2005 12:20:09 PM PDT by Bushwacker777
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To: LeanneMSmith

The next thing that these stupid judges are probably going to rule unconstitutional is the United States itself...


14 posted on 09/14/2005 12:28:38 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: LeanneMSmith

Time for a new pledge..

I pledge allegiance to myself and screw everyone else in America.

And to the Republic, whatever that is.

One nation, no god. Multi-cultural, with political correctness for all.


15 posted on 09/14/2005 12:30:33 PM PDT by Trampled by Lambs (This Tagline is on hiatus as I think of a new one.)
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To: Bushwacker777

LINKEE NO WORKEE........


16 posted on 09/14/2005 12:30:45 PM PDT by Red Badger (BLAME = Democrat .......BALM = Republican.........Which would an evacuee choose?......)
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whose previous attempt to get the pledge out of public schools was rejected by the U.S. Supreme Court

Listen for it? Here it comes...cert denied!.

18 posted on 09/14/2005 12:41:00 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks (If you don't like Jesus, you can go to hell.)
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It's not the pledge that's unconstitutional, it's the reference to "under God"... which means that the pledge I remember from my own childhood would be fine. I don't think the ruling is unreasonable, although a simple reference to "God" without any doctrine seems to me to be a long ways from establishing a state church. Still, slippery slopes and all that.

A better reason for getting rid of the phrase is that it's flaming hypocrisy; the state does not defer its secular power to any other force, making its claim to be 'under' God an empty piety.

19 posted on 09/14/2005 12:52:23 PM PDT by Grut
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To: LeanneMSmith
Next up: US Currency is found unconstitutional...the Constitution is found unconstitutional...
20 posted on 09/14/2005 1:06:37 PM PDT by solowe
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