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The Right To Bear Arms Is As Old As Vermont
The Caledonian-Record Online News ^ | September 14, 2005 | JAMES JARDINE

Posted on 09/15/2005 9:57:12 AM PDT by neverdem

LYNDON -- Richard Gorham and Robert Hamel trace their roots back a long way in Vermont.

Hamel, 61, of Lyndon, is a fourth-generation Vermonter. Gorham, 54, of Mount Hunger, said his ancestry goes all the way back to the first couple to settle Kirby. The first Gorhams came to Vermont with a pair of oxen, he says.

Talking to the two on the front porch of Rick's Gun Shop and Mount Hunger Archery in Mount Hunger, a gun and archery shop founded by Gorham in 1992, it's apparent they have a core belief in their constitutional rights as Americans to own firearms and to own private property. Both men believe constant vigilance is required to safeguard those freedoms.

The shop, which includes an archery range, is a busy place with a constant stream of customers and a phone that rings every few minutes.

Customers look at firearms, purchase ammo, use the archery range and chat about the upcoming hunting season. A customer completes a background check form, and Gorham calls it in to obtain approval prior to the sale of a firearm.

Out on the front porch, Gorham points up the road to a forested area and describes his 10-acre piece of land. He says it is the spot where he nurtures wildlife, hunts game and hopes to be buried.

The 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution says "no state shall deprive any person of life, liberty or property without due process of the law," and the Fifth Amendment says private property shall not be taken for public use without just compensation.

Article One of the Vermont Constitution declares "acquiring, possessing and protecting property" is an "inalienable right."

Vermont's Constitution says government may only take private property for public use "when necessity requires it" and that "the owner ought to receive an equivalent in money."

Still, Gorham wonders if those guarantees mean much these days, when the government can take his most cherished possession - his land - and "run a pipeline though it" or condemn his land by eminent domain and use it for a public purpose such as a highway or a sewer line.

The U.S. Supreme Court recently ruled that under certain circumstances a municipal government can take private property and resell it to a private developer so that the municipality may obtain "public benefit" from the higher property taxes generated by a new private development.

Gorham said the founding fathers, when they drafted the U.S. Constitution, had in mind the idea of "protecting us from our government."

He believes the Constitution guarantees every citizen the right to own firearms through the Second Amendment, which reads: "A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

He said citizens should have the right to own firearms for hunting, personal protection and, if necessary, to take up arms if an illegal government seizes power and violates the rights of the citizenry.

A Different Take

Robert Gensburg, a St. Johnsbury lawyer who lives in East Burke, has a different interpretation of the Second Amendment, bringing into focus the ability of two honest men to disagree on what our Constitution means.

Gensburg and Gorham are neighbors on Mount Hunger Road and, though they disagree in a few political areas, each respects the other. Gorham speaks warmly of Gensburg, saying the attorney allows him to hunt on his private property; Gorham has offered moose meat to the Gensburgs.

Gensburg, in turn, smiles when he good-naturedly tells Gorham the Second Amendment does not guarantee the right to own arms.

But Gorham is deadly serious about what he perceives as a continuing effort to extinguish the right to gun ownership. He said there are people who oppose the "idea of protecting us from our government," and that those people believe "the Constitution has had its day, and it's time to change it." Some, he said, even want to get rid of it.

Gorham said Vermont is very high in the percentage of guns owned per capita, and he believes that's "part of the reason we have been safe for so long."

Robert Hamel believes "the Constitution was written by people like me." He calls himself a firm believer in our Constitution, saying, "There's only one way you can see the Constitution when it comes to the right to keep and bear arms." Hamel also believes gun ownership is constantly under siege.

He is not sure how he feels about registration of guns, but he is quick to say certain persons - such as someone who threatens a family member with a gun during a domestic dispute - should lose the right to own firearms for life.

Hamel has taught firearms safety for 12 years, and he stopped by Gorham's to check on registrations for an upcoming firearm safety course.

Like Gorham, the right to own private property is sacred to Hamel. He spoke quietly, but passionately, about the meaning of private property and the peace and enjoyment he gets out of his 14-acre piece of land with a camp on it. He goes there for the peace and quiet, to hunt and to vacation, and it's obvious it's his favorite spot on Earth.

Hamel talked about how deep the roots of private property ownership and firearm ownership run in Vermont. He said it's hard for him to imagine living in a city and never owning a home.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: District of Columbia; US: Vermont
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1 posted on 09/15/2005 9:57:14 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
"Gensburg, in turn, smiles when he good-naturedly tells Gorham the Second Amendment does not guarantee the right to own arms."

Yes the good natured smirk of the highly evolved liberal lawyer who knows that the Constitution must be made say what changing 'community values' wish it to say. That the 2nd Amendment really means the government should own all the guns to protect us from dangerous primitive thinkers.

Yes the good natured smirk of contempt the liberal has mastered as his trademark expression when confronting a normal American.
2 posted on 09/15/2005 10:05:36 AM PDT by robowombat
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To: neverdem

A Winchester 94 is a great "bear" arm .


3 posted on 09/15/2005 10:19:38 AM PDT by Renegade
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To: neverdem
Vermont Liberals -- who have move-in in increasing numbers from MA and NY -- HATE this:

Constitution of the State of Vermont

Article 16. [Right to bear arms; standing armies; military power subordinate to civil] That the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of themselves and the State -- and as standing armies in time of peace are dangerous to liberty, they ought not to be kept up; and that the military should be kept under strict subordination to and governed by the civil power.

4 posted on 09/15/2005 10:26:42 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: neverdem

Gorham said Vermont is very high in the percentage of guns owned per capita, and he believes that's "part of the reason we have been safe for so long."







The problem is the "we" are not safe. Although the left has not moved much to take away gun rights here in Vermont, they have done so on just about every other right. I am getting tired of such complacency as Vermont continues to out pace almost every other state in the nation on the path toward socialism. This state was once a beacon of individual liberty and local community; those days are now a distant memory.


5 posted on 09/15/2005 11:30:33 AM PDT by rob777
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To: neverdem

What a strange article. It must have been heavily edited from its original form since it is now all over the lot.


6 posted on 09/15/2005 11:33:42 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: neverdem

What a "refreshing" article. Claims of an individual right to keep and bear arms is protected by the Second Amendment balanced by claims that the Second Amendment is a protection of government power. The truth balanced by a lie.


7 posted on 09/15/2005 12:07:13 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: William Tell
What a "refreshing" article. Claims of an individual right to keep and bear arms is protected by the Second Amendment balanced by claims that the Second Amendment is a protection of government power. The truth balanced by a lie.

I recommend re-reading the article without speed reading.

8 posted on 09/15/2005 12:35:11 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem
neverdem said: I recommend re-reading the article without speed reading.

From the article: "Robert Gensburg, a St. Johnsbury lawyer who lives in East Burke, has a different interpretation of the Second Amendment, bringing into focus the ability of two honest men to disagree on what our Constitution means. "

My re-reading of the article reveals that the author presented the "collective rights" interpretation, as opposed to "individual right", as having such legitimacy than and honest man can hold to that interpretation.

To think that our Founders opposed the confiscation of arms by the nation's army at Lexington and Concord and would then concern themselves with whether the nation in future would be able to field such an army, is nonsense.

Those who hold to the "collective rights" interpretation of the Second Amendment are not honest and must lie about US v. Miller, for example, to state their case.

9 posted on 09/15/2005 1:23:29 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: William Tell

Three paragraphs mention Robert Gensburg, a St. Johnsbury lawyer, out of twenty one paragraphs by my count.

If you think three out of twenty one paragraphs balance the obvious sentiment in the remainder, what can I say?


10 posted on 09/15/2005 1:34:21 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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"And the Clinton administration launched an attack on people in Texas because those people were religious nuts with guns. Hell, this country was founded by religious nuts with guns. Who does Bill Clinton think stepped ashore on Plymouth Rock? Peace Corps volunteers? Or maybe the people in Texas were attacked because of child abuse. But, if child abuse was the issue, why didn't Janet Reno tear-gas Woody Allen?" - P. J. O'Rourke, "The Liberty Manifesto", The American Spectator, July, 1993.
The Second Amendment
11 posted on 09/15/2005 2:16:04 PM PDT by PsyOp (After things go from bad to worse, the cycle will repeat.)
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To: neverdem
neverdem said: "If you think three out of twenty one paragraphs balance the obvious sentiment in the remainder, what can I say?"

If the article had been discussing what the moon is made of and three out of twenty-one paragraphs had suggested that the moon was made of green cheese, would that seem the right balance to you? Or would that be too much green cheese?

12 posted on 09/15/2005 2:53:45 PM PDT by William Tell
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To: neverdem

The people of Vermont don't get it. They've been taken over by the CommuDems. The artsy-fartsy crowd who seemingly moved in over night are socialists and communists. They hate America and everything it stands for. These are the knuckle-dragging unwashed hippy left-overs from Haight-Asbury! Vermont now belongs to the Communists!


13 posted on 09/15/2005 3:06:43 PM PDT by Doc Savage (...because they stand on a wall, and they say nothing is going to hurt you tonight, not on my watch!)
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