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Russia Loses a Jet to NATO (pictures)
Kommersant ^ | Sep. 16, 2005 | Vladimir Vodo, Ivan Safronov

Posted on 09/16/2005 10:52:40 AM PDT by lizol

Russia Loses a Jet to NATO // Su-27 crashes in Lithuania Encroachment A scandal broke out yesterday when a Russian Su-27 fighter jet crashed in Lithuania on its way from Leningrad Region to Kaliningrad Region. The Lithuanian Foreign Ministry has presented Russian diplomats a note of protest about the violation of Lithuanian airspace. The fighter pilot, who bailed out of the plane, has been taken into custody and is the object of investigation. The Russian Defense Ministry claims that the pilot crossed the border because of a malfunction in his navigation equipment, which was also the cause of the crash. Catastrophe in the Field

The Su-27 crashed at 4:10 p.m. Moscow time in a field near the village of Jotyskiai, in Sakiai District, Lithuania. Residents of Veliouna, 55 km. north of Kaunas, saw a parachutist in the sky. That was Maj. Valery Troyanov, the plane's pilot. Local residents called the police while Troyanov called his division commander from his cell phone. He reported the situation and asked what to do further. The police arrived before that conversation had ended. Troyanov was taken to the police station in the town of Jurbarkas, where he was questioned by police and Lithuanian special services. Kommersant has information that representatives of the Russian embassy were not allowed to see him yesterday.

Commander of the Lithuanian Air Force Colonel Jonas Marcinkus stated yesterday that, after questioning, the pilot was immediately taken from Jurbarkas to Kaunas and examined by military doctors. Simultaneously, the Lithuanian prosecutor's office began an investigation of plane crash. Lithuanian Minister of Defense Gediminas Kirkilas stated yesterday that the Russian plane had no permission to enter Lithuanian airspace, and so its presence was illegal. He added that the air control service had been observing the plane for six minutes and German F-4Phantom fighters had been launched from the airbase in Zokniai.

The Lithuanian Foreign Ministry delivered a note of protest. An investigation was also begun to find out how the fighter jet made its way into Lithuanian airspace, which is protected by a NATO squadron from Germany. Russian pilots have violated Lithuanian airspace before. Last summer, for example, Lithuania announced that there had been an illegal flight by a helicopter, although it was unable to prove it, since the craft had been over the republic for only a few minutes. This time, Lithuanian officials have the violating pilot and the wreckage of his plane. But that will allow them to do no more than declare Russia's unfriendly intentions. The Russian side is claiming that the violation occurred because of an equipment malfunction.

Disoriented

The Russian version of the event is as follows. The Su-27s from the 177the Fighter Division took off from the Lodeinoe Pole Airfield heading to Chkalovsky Airfield near Kaliningrad. There, the pilots were to work out cooperation between the fighters of the 6th Army Air Force and Antiaircraft Defense (which has units in the Leningrad Military District) and the Air Force and Antiaircraft Defense of the Baltic Fleet in Kaliningrad Region. Their flight was to cross the Baltic Sea. However, as the information and public relations department of the Russian Defense Ministry reported yesterday, Troyanov, the last of the three pilots to take off (at ten-minute intervals) reported becoming disoriented. It is assumed that the plane's navigational equipment failed. Thus, the plane wandered into Lithuanian airspace. Kommersant sources in the Defense Ministry emphasize that, if the planes had flown in a group, the loss of orientation of one of them would not have affected the flight. The pilot of the malfunctioning craft would only have to maintain distance as he followed the others in the group in. However, when Troyanov's plane malfunctioned, the others had already landed.

After reporting his difficulties, Troyanov flew in circles to use up fuel and then parachuted from the craft.

Kommersant has learned that Russian Minister of Defense Sergey Ivanov was informed of the emergency in Lithuania while on his way to the General Naval Staff, where he was to take part in the ceremonial presentation of Admiral Vladimir Masorin, the new Chief Commander, to officers. A commission led by Maj. Gen. Sergey Bainetov, head of the Defense Ministry flight safety service, is now working in the Northern Fleet to determine the cause of a Su-33 fighter plane crash on the aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov. Therefore, Ivanov ordered 6th Army commander Maj. Gen. Vladimir Sviridov to contact the Lithuanians and visit the scene of the accident. Kommersant has learned though that Sviridov was unable to enter Lithuanian yesterday for lack of a Lithuanian visa and went to Kaliningrad instead. A Defense Ministry source said last night that Troyanov had been released from custody. The Lithuanian Foreign Ministry said that Troyanov was released because he is considered only a witness in the criminal case connected with the plane crash.


Lithuanian special forces guard the wreckage of the Russian fighter jet. Judging by the warm clothing and the rations kit (lower left corner), the guard may last a while.


Wreckage of a Russian Su-27 fighter plane lies in a field about 55 km. from the Lithuanian city of Kaunas


Wreckage of a Russian Su-27 fighter plane lies in a field about 55 km. from the Lithuanian city of Kaunas.


A Russian Su-27 fighter jet


Russian Defense Minister Sergey Ivanov


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: airspace; ivanov; lithuania; nato; noflyzone; russia; russianmilitary; su27
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1 posted on 09/16/2005 10:52:42 AM PDT by lizol
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To: lizol

They broke that one.


2 posted on 09/16/2005 10:54:33 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Ponce de Leon is coming here to look for the fountain of dumb. DC is his first stop.)
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To: lizol

Can't make a jet, can't make a submarine (although they do make one hell of a fishing cable), can't even make a car.  Methinks our coldwar enemy was not all we thought at the time.

  Owl_Eagle

(If what I just wrote makes you sad or angry,

 it was probably sarcasm)

3 posted on 09/16/2005 10:55:57 AM PDT by End Times Sentinel (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: lizol

"After reporting his difficulties, Troyanov flew in circles to use up fuel and then parachuted from the craft."


Good man.


4 posted on 09/16/2005 10:58:27 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: lizol

Holy F-15's Batman, where did that design come from? NATO intercept failure not a good thing. Germany still flying the F-4 Phantoms?


5 posted on 09/16/2005 10:58:35 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("Freedom of speech makes it much easier to spot the idiots." [Jay Lessig, 2/7/2005])
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To: Owl_Eagle
Can't make a jet ..

Do you say the same thing when our jets crash? Some of our jets have crashed you know. We've also lost submarines and the Corvair was a made-in-Detroit product.

6 posted on 09/16/2005 11:01:09 AM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Owl_Eagle

All they had to make was some nukes and a way to deliver them. I believe based on their ability to put men in space that they had that capability. What has happened to the maintainance regime lately is another story.


7 posted on 09/16/2005 11:01:56 AM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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To: NonValueAdded
NATO intercept failure not a good thing. Germany still flying the F-4 Phantoms?

Hey wait a min! I flew in the back seat of a Phantom.

I loved that bird. :-)

8 posted on 09/16/2005 11:02:00 AM PDT by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: Owl_Eagle

Oh, the Russians make really good fighters. The SU-27 is a top of the line fighter.


9 posted on 09/16/2005 11:03:07 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: Owl_Eagle

Did they ever figure out where the cable came from that stopped the sub? I was thinking it might have been a WWII anti-submarine net...........


10 posted on 09/16/2005 11:03:17 AM PDT by Red Badger (BLAME = Democrat .......BALM = Republican.........BLAM = 1 DEAD LOOTER............)
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To: lizol

Apparently he had a cell phone even if his regular communication system went out. It's hard to believe that not only he was lost but that his air force lost him. Surely they could have given him some instructions about which way to fly, other than down. Sounds as if more than his navigation system failed.


11 posted on 09/16/2005 11:03:17 AM PDT by FreePaul
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To: RadioAstronomer

The gerries still like it for fast intercept. They like EuroFighter, too but pilots I talked with say they would keep the F4 for the right missions.


12 posted on 09/16/2005 11:06:08 AM PDT by epluribus_2
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To: GarySpFc
The SU-27 is a top of the line fighter.

Not really, 2nd shelf now... Don't forget about the F-22

13 posted on 09/16/2005 11:09:04 AM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: NonValueAdded
The commies borrowed heavily from the Iranian F-14s. Thank you Jimmy Carter and yes, the Luftwaffe is still flying F-4s.


14 posted on 09/16/2005 11:10:30 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: lizol
German F-4Phantom fighters had been launched from the airbase in Zokniai.

Who needs the Eurofighter!

15 posted on 09/16/2005 11:13:36 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: lizol
The Russian Defense Ministry claims that the pilot crossed the border because of a malfunction in his navigation equipment, which was also the cause of the crash.

Scuze me, but you might stray off course due to navigation failure but you would not CRASH due to nav problems unless you ran into the side of the mountain (which the pictures clearly show is not the case).

Of course the Nav equipment could have caused the crash if it triggered the self-destruct mechanism because it determined the pilot was defecting. The Russians wouldn't do that would they....? Naw...

me:/reaches for tinfoil hat.

16 posted on 09/16/2005 11:15:23 AM PDT by konaice
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To: NonValueAdded
The strangest thing to me is the picture of the camo'd soldier with the shotgun. That's a case of U.S. issue MREs sitting on the ground next to him.

Since when did the U.S. start supplying rations to the Lithuanian army?

17 posted on 09/16/2005 11:16:59 AM PDT by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism. *NRA*)
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To: GarySpFc

I have an uncle that took part in some sort of exchange program with Russia in the later years of the Reagan administration. He said that he got a chance to fly some of the technology stripped MIG fighters but even stripped they were awesome planes. He was most impressed with the Russian pilots.


18 posted on 09/16/2005 11:17:34 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: lizol
Troyanov did ok.

In 1973, my unit sent an A-3 on a routine flight from Guam to the PI.

Three, count em, three: not one, not two, but three navigators on the A-3.


They bailed out of the plane about 1,000 miles off the coast of Japan. Fuel starvation.

They got lost.

No fooling, have the Granpa Petibone article to prove it.
19 posted on 09/16/2005 11:19:14 AM PDT by Al Gator (Remember to pillage BEFORE you burn!)
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To: konaice

so sue us for the nav equipment you probably stole and did not replicate perfectly.


20 posted on 09/16/2005 11:19:32 AM PDT by epluribus_2
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