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'There's Something Bottomless About It' - Robert Spano on Conducting Wagner's Ring
Atlanta Journa-Constitution via Andante ^ | September 15, 2005 | Pierre Ruhe

Posted on 09/18/2005 5:55:05 PM PDT by sitetest

Robert Spano is zooming along in his life as a conductor, the lights all turning green.

Tonight in Symphony Hall, he conducts Mahler's monumental "Resurrection" Symphony and begins his fourth season as music director of the Atlanta Symphony Orchestra — a partnership that increasingly draws national praise.

Robert Spano (photo courtesy of the Atlanta Symphony) Spano comes off a summer at the Seattle Opera, where he led Wagner's four-opera, 16-hour Ring cycle. After more than two months of rehearsal, he led the cycle three times over three weeks — and calls it a life-changing experience. A sign of success: He's already been invited back to Seattle to conduct the Ring in 2009.

We recently caught up with the 44-year-old conductor in a Midtown coffee shop.

Q: You received mostly glowing reviews for your first Ring. How did you feel about it?

A: It felt like a huge marker in my life. Not just as a conductor but as a human being. I feel like a different person. I'm altered and I'm grateful.

Q: What was so transformative?

A: For one thing the physicality, the athleticism of the Ring. In rehearsal, the first time we did Rheingold [Part 1 of the Ring saga] was the first time in my life I've had to conduct for 2½ hours without stopping. I made a point of not getting tired. I quit smoking, which I'd started at 17. I was going to the gym, doing Pilates. I went on a six-meal-a-day eating regimen, smaller meals. I took it very seriously. During the performances, I didn't get tired at all, didn't even think about it. But at intermission, and this was unusual, I'd be completely exhausted, physically and mentally. Sometimes I'd walk into my dressing room and have to lie on the floor to regroup, just so I'd have the energy to continue.

The other thing I hadn't expected, in the two years I spent in serious study [of the Ring score], was that everything took me twice as long to learn as usual. That terrified me. I'm usually a pretty quick study. Here I had to learn a whole new musical language — Wagner's language — which I'd been avoiding most of my life. No matter how hard I studied, I always had a thousand pages to go.

There is something bottomless about the Ring; it's such a vast and strange world. Fifty years before Freud and psychoanalysis, Wagner had it in the Ring. It goes very deep. Everyone who really knows the Ring will tell you that. But until you're inside it yourself, you can't quite imagine how such a thing could be true.

Conducting the Ring also, and this was really fascinating to me, warped my sense of time and space. Act 1 of Götterdämmerung [the fourth Ring opera] is two hours, which is as long as all of [Puccini's] Madama Butterfly, but I thought about it like 'an act of opera,' not in time but as units.

For long stretches I felt like I wasn't in my own body. I felt like I was growing with each performance, more than I'd grown in my entire life of conducting. It was amazing. And ridiculous, in a wonderful way.

Q: Did you take a nice break after Seattle?

A: No, I came right back to Atlanta to start preparing for the new season. I'll admit my first few days back I wasn't too functional. I'm not taking any vacation this year, but next fall [2006] I'm taking a chunk of time off, to compose. I have several pieces I need to finish, and this summer made me all the more aware that composing is a part of my life that I have to pursue. As a kid, when I was 12, I thought of myself as a composer, but later sort of fell into conducting. It's clear to me that returning to composition is something I have to do.

Q: You open the ASO season with Mahler's Second Symphony. It's only about 80 minutes long. Does that now feel short to you?

A: He's the opposite of Wagner; it's so concentrated and focused. Mahler, no fool, gave us a clue to music and meaning, the eternal question. Mahler quotes from Act 2, Scene 2 of Walküre [the second Ring opera]. It's a loveless scene where convention and society choke-hold creativity and the loving possibilities of the individual. I was blown away when I realized that connection. I love that I better understand Wagner through the eyes of his descendants, like Mahler.

Q: Will Atlanta ever share in your Wagner revelations?

A: I'd love to do Tristan und Isolde [with the ASO], maybe done in separate acts, maybe just a single act. That's an opera I have always loved. It's a long way away, but we might be able to pull it off.


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KEYWORDS: classicalmusic; mahler; music; opera; ring; wagner
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I can't imagine the effort it takes to do this.
1 posted on 09/18/2005 5:55:11 PM PDT by sitetest
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To: sitetest

The Mahler 2nd is no walk in the park, either.


2 posted on 09/18/2005 5:55:52 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ("...on Earth, as it is in TEXAS")
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To: sitetest; 1rudeboy; 31R1O; afraidfortherepublic; Argh; Bahbah; bboop; BeerForMyHorses; ...

Classical Music Ping List ping!

This is a moderate volume ping list, typically several times per week to one per day or so. Let me know if you want on or off the list via FR mail. Thanks!


3 posted on 09/18/2005 5:57:05 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: sitetest
Wagner stole the ring idea from Tolkien.;-)
4 posted on 09/18/2005 5:58:26 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: js1138

* snicker *


5 posted on 09/18/2005 6:01:30 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: Sans-Culotte
The Mahler symphonies are often overlooked by classical music fans. They are definitely worth the effort to appreciate as they grow on you over time.

On the other hand, it would take a lifetime to fully appreciate the music of Wagner.

6 posted on 09/18/2005 6:01:43 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (What Would Howard Roarke Do?)
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To: js1138
Wagner stole the ring idea from Tolkien.;-)

Stupid ring. Bad idea

7 posted on 09/18/2005 6:13:17 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Never try to teach a pig to sing -- it wastes your time and it annoys the pig)
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To: Sans-Culotte
I have performed the Mahler Second (here in San Diego, with the chorus) and am about to do so again, in November.

It's good but overrated.

Give me the B-minor Mass anytime.

As for Wagner and Der Ring des Niebelungen, let me recommend Anna Russell.

8 posted on 09/18/2005 6:16:03 PM PDT by Chairman Fred (@mousiedung.commie)
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To: sitetest
For those who don't have the time or money, the entire Ring cycle is explained on this album.


9 posted on 09/18/2005 6:18:14 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: sitetest

With Wagnerian operas --- You don't have to watch. Just close your eyes and listen and feel.


10 posted on 09/18/2005 6:24:10 PM PDT by Exit148 (Founder of the Loose Change Club. Every nickle and dime counts!!)
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To: js1138

I couldn't agree more.


11 posted on 09/18/2005 6:26:13 PM PDT by Chairman Fred (@mousiedung.commie)
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To: Sans-Culotte

Yes, but after the Ring, it's no thousand mile journey either.


12 posted on 09/18/2005 6:29:37 PM PDT by Panzerlied ("We shall never surrender!")
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To: js1138
Wet me expand on my comment: if you weawwy want to know Wagner, just watch "What's Opera, Doc?" stawwing Bugs Bunny and Ewmew Fudd.

"Kill the Wabbit, Kill the Wabbitt, Kill the Wabbit, uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh!"

13 posted on 09/18/2005 6:33:30 PM PDT by Chairman Fred (@mousiedung.commie)
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To: Chairman Fred
Well, we cannot all have the same tastes. Mahler is definitely an acquired one, and there are some of his symphonies even I am not really into. However, the 2nd "Resurrection" Symphony cannot be rated highly enough IMO. Though an early work, I always regard it as Mahler's "Beethoven's Ninth".

I agree with all that The Ring is a mighty work. I'm just not always in the mood for a 4 night opera festival. They are certainly something, though.

I only mentioned the Mahler 2nd because the article said that was on the conductor's agenda, and then said little about it. There are so many high points in Mahler's 2nd, that it is very easy for a conductor (and orchestra and solosists and chorus) to fail to hit them all just right. I've been to two live performances of it, and both were tremendously exciting.

14 posted on 09/18/2005 6:42:59 PM PDT by Sans-Culotte ("...on Earth, as it is in TEXAS")
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To: sitetest

P*S televised the Ring over a week several years ago. Four operas later I was drained. It was in my dreams. Conducting it, and above all making the whole thing come together, must take a very special person...like me. I'd love to do it :)


15 posted on 09/18/2005 6:44:11 PM PDT by cloud8
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To: sitetest

If bottomless means the same as never-emdimg, I certain;y agree.


16 posted on 09/18/2005 6:46:31 PM PDT by Socratic (Liberal's motto: Capio ergo sum.)
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To: SamAdams76

Mahler's 1st is my absolute favorite...


17 posted on 09/18/2005 6:50:36 PM PDT by Born Conservative ("I'm expecting that some people who are die-hards will die hard.'' -NOLA parish president)
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To: Chairman Fred

I stood in line for the Seattle Opera a couple of years ago and the whole dang crowd started singing "Kill the Wabbit, Kill the Wabbit, Kill the Wabbit, the Wabbit must die..." Hope none of the cast heard us...


18 posted on 09/18/2005 6:51:15 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: sitetest

I'll contribute a dissenting view. I have grown to like Mahler and now really enjoy many of the symphonies. I have never liked Wagner with the exception of the Ride of the Valkyries theme used in Apocalypse now.

Saw a special on Discovery/Times network the other day (I know, I know). It was on occultism in the 3rd Reich. It was actually quite good and made many points not all of them can I summarize here.

One point it made however, was that Hitler was heavily influenced by Wagner - it might not be an overstatement to say that Nazism was the product of Wagner's aryan mysticism and Hitler's take on all of it. All the top Nazi's saw themselves as Aryan or Nordic knights that were going to find the grail or some such nonsense - all right out of Wagner. I'm sure intelligent people can differ but for me it just reinforced my already strong predisposition to not like Wagner.


19 posted on 09/18/2005 6:52:25 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten (Is your problem ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care.)
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Woody Allen once said that listening to Wagner made him want to invade Poland. Racial theories like those that Wagner held were a product of the time and he was simply the most gifted exponent of them. Though he wanted Jews to assimilate quite unlike the Nazis. There were petitions to expel Jews from Germany going around that he refused to sign. At the end of his life he personally picked a Jewish conductor named Hermann Levi to conduct the premiere of Parsifal.
20 posted on 09/18/2005 6:58:39 PM PDT by Borges
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