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Pope bans homosexuals from ordination as priests
WorldNetDaily ^ | September 19, 2005

Posted on 09/19/2005 4:11:33 PM PDT by scripter

Pope Benedict XVI has given his approval to a new Vatican policy document indicating that men with homosexual tendencies should not be ordained as Catholic priests, reports Catholic World News.

The policy statement is a direct result of the pope's concern about the pedophilia scandal in the church – especially in the U.S.

The new document, prepared by the Congregation for Catholic Education in response to a request made by the late Pope John Paul II in 1994, will be published soon. It will take the form of an "Instruction," signed by the prefect and secretary of the congregation: Cardinal Zenon Grocholewski and Archbishop Michael Miller, according to the report.

The report was first referenced on Joseph Farah's nationally syndicated radio program last week by Raymond Arroyo, author of the new book "Mother Angelica: The Remarkable Story of a Nun, Her Nerve and a Network of Miracles." Arroyo has covered the papacy more than any other journalist

The text, approved by Benedict at the end of August, says that homosexual men should not be admitted to seminaries even if they are celibate, because their condition suggests a serious personality disorder that detracts from their ability to serve as ministers, says the CWN report.

Priests who have already been ordained, if they suffer from homosexual impulses, are strongly urged to renew their dedication to chastity and a manner of life appropriate to the priesthood.

The "Instruction" does not represent a change in church teaching or policy, according to the Vatican.

Catholic leaders have consistently taught that homosexual men should not be ordained to the priesthood. Pope John XXIII approved a formal policy to that effect, which still remains in effect. However, during the 1970s and 1980s, that policy was widely ignored, particularly in North America.

The Congregation for Catholic Education prepared the "Instruction" after soliciting advice from all of the world's bishops, from psychologists and from moral theologians. A draft was then circulated among the Vatican dicasteries concerned with the issue, notably including the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

The pending release of the "Instruction," in the face of certain criticism from liberal forces in America and Western Europe, demonstrates the determination of the Vatican to improve the quality of priestly ministry and to protect the church from some of the scandals that have recently shaken the Catholic community – and no doubt deterred many men from entering priestly training.

Informed sources in Rome indicate that the "Instruction" probably will be made public after the Synod of Bishops, which meets in Rome Oct. 2 through 23.


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To: sinkspur
A vocal group of homosexuals and their supporters in the priesthood and hierarchy have been advocating that the inspection of seminaries should focus on the issue of “celibacy” rather than homosexuality. This is seen by many as a smokescreen and a convenient back door for bishops who hesitate to support the Catholic teaching which has long been that homosexual men may not be ordained.

Vatican Says No Homosexuals in Priesthood – Approved by Pope Benedict

121 posted on 09/19/2005 8:09:39 PM PDT by tuesday afternoon (Everything happens for a reason. - 40 and 43)
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To: Lorianne
This doesn't make much sense to me. Priests take a vow of chastity/abstenance. So it doesn't really matter which sex he is sexually attracted to, it's supposed to be hands-off.

But you must remember that a Priest is called "Father" for a reason. He is supposed to be a father to his flock. I would question the ability of someone who is homosexual adequately act this role. It seems to me that an inclination towards procreation is a necessary condition of fatherhood.

122 posted on 09/19/2005 8:16:05 PM PDT by True North Strong and Free
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To: libsl
It really is apples (pedophilia) and oranges (homosexuality). One is illegal and immoral, the other is just illegal (in most countries).

I'm confused. Are you saying homosexuality is not immoral? Maybe I am misreading here.
124 posted on 09/19/2005 8:16:51 PM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: tuesday afternoon
Fine. Witch hunt homosexual celibates. While you're at it, why not witch hunt celibates who drink more than three beers a day? Or, why not witch hunt celibates who like midnight pizza runs and who can barely button their size 46 waist pants?

The Catholic Church will have who it decides to have as priests. Meanwhile, Catholic Churches all over America, and all over the world, figure out how to maintain a Christian community without a resident priest.

Once that happens, young men and women will be inspired to become lay leaders of parishes, canonically deputized to do everything but hear confessions and celebrate the Eucharist, as deacons currently do. In fact, some will become deacons.

If the hierarchy decides that it wants circuit rider priests, ala South America, then laymen will assume Church leadership. The Catholic community WILL thrive, with or without resident priests.

125 posted on 09/19/2005 8:20:41 PM PDT by sinkspur (It is time for those of us who have much to share with those who have nothing.)
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To: hardworking
That's my point. We're not talking about men who'll be practicing homosexuality, but men who'll be practicing celibacy. Celibacy, last time I checked was not a sin. If the priest is celibate, he's not committing the sin of homosexuality.

Yes, I agree. I must admit that as I thought about it I had some other puzzlements as well. For example, if 'homosexuality' is a sin, then homosexuals are 'sinners'.

Homosexual inclinations themselves are not sinful. Homosexual actions however, are.

But who isn't a sinner? If just 'being' a homosexual is a sin then does that preclude them from being a Catholic as well as a priest?

You're looking at this from a legalistic standpoint, as if we're discussing American labor law. Two very important points: First, no one has the right to be ordained a priest. The Catholic Church has reaffirmed (and hopefully will enforce) that homosexuals are unfit for the priesthood because of their disorder. It is not "discrimination" against homos for the sake of discrimination. It's that placing homosexuals in a situation where they are surrounded by men all day is a bad idea. It's also a result of experience. Homosexuals in the priesthood have caused a lot of damage. To be safe, it is better for them to be removed.

Second, there is a big difference between being a priest and just being a Catholic. Not all can be priests, but that doesn't preclude them from being good Catholics.

Namely, if marriage/intercourse between a man and a woman is for the sole purpose of procreating children and a couple is unable to conceive, and deemed unable to conceive, then are they committing a sin when they have sex?

No. It's a larger topic than I have time or inclination to discuss tonight, but you should check up on Catholic teaching about sexuality. It's more complex than you think. No need to reinvent the wheel here, as this is teaching that's been settled for awhile.
126 posted on 09/19/2005 8:23:11 PM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: sinkspur
Excluding men who are active homosexuals is a no-brainer.

Excluding men who are suspected of being homosexual, due to mannerisms, or choice of hobbies, or whatever, is a subjective judgment.

In order not to be out of compliance, some of these seminary authorities will jump offside in turning men away who might otherwise make good priests.

Some number of homosexuals have always been a part of the priesthood; Martin Luther complained about them five hundred years ago.

One should anticipate that there will be even fewer men entering seminaries than there has been. This will continue the inevitable march toward lay dominance of parish administration, with priests serving as sacramental circuit riders.

You haven't changed, sadly. BTW, I can sense the utter glee in your last paragraph. PS - The married priesthood in the Western Church is not going to happen anytime soon.
127 posted on 09/19/2005 8:26:05 PM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: thefactor

I don't know enough about canon law (in fact, know very little about canon law) so can't say if there are any loopholes...I would suppose if a woman disguised herself as a man, and the bishop ordained her thinking she was a man, that would be ruled invalid...but whether someone having homosexual inclinations would be a similar case, I don't know...perhaps the person had honestly persuaded himself at the time of ordination that he wasn't a homosexual, but later changed his mind.


128 posted on 09/19/2005 8:26:12 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: bobbdobbs
Which tends to render it unenforceable. It's like outlawing evil thought. Okay, now figure out who's really guilty

It's only unenforceable if there is no authority to enforce it.
129 posted on 09/19/2005 8:27:08 PM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: Lorianne
All I'm saying is that if you're taking your vows seriously, it shouldn't matter because you would not be doing ANY sexual behaviour. How would anyone know?

Again, people are comparing apples and oranges. The Church is not particularly concerned about "equal rights" in the workplace, as it's not some sort of corporation.

Homosexuals in the priesthood constitute a danger to not only the faith, but to their congregants. As a precaution, it is good to make sure that homosexuals are not admitted to the priesthood. If some of them get by and nobody knows, then it's akin to a tree falling in an empty forest.
130 posted on 09/19/2005 8:29:29 PM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: scripter

An end to a very very sad chapter in the Church... now we have to filter out those that have already been ordaned. 30 years of a horrible policy have compromised large parts of teh american catholic church...


131 posted on 09/19/2005 8:31:13 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: scripter

An end to a very very sad chapter in the Church... now we have to filter out those that have already been ordaned. 30 years of a horrible policy have compromised large parts of teh american catholic church...


132 posted on 09/19/2005 8:31:14 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: patriot_wes
"This doesn't make much sense to me. Priests take a vow of chastity/abstinence. So it doesn't really matter which sex he is sexually attracted to, it's supposed to be hands-off."

Yea and there really are no cemeteries full of babies born to nuns and then murdered either.


Hey look everyone, Jack Chick is posting to FR!!!!

Wow, trotting out the Maria Monk fraud. Sad, sad, sad.
133 posted on 09/19/2005 8:42:46 PM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: True North Strong and Free

But if you're not having sex you're functionally ASEXUAL, not homosexual or heterosexual.


134 posted on 09/19/2005 8:44:53 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Conservative til I die
PS - The married priesthood in the Western Church is not going to happen anytime soon.

Who cares? As long as priests pass through to consecrate the Eucharist, laymen will adminster parishes and faith communities will thrive, even without resident priests.

The Holy Spirit will not be denied.

135 posted on 09/19/2005 8:46:42 PM PDT by sinkspur (It is time for those of us who have much to share with those who have nothing.)
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To: sinkspur
I've heard that the more conservative seminaries are attracting lots of applicants, and that the lavender seminaries were losing lots of straight applicants because of the homosexual subculture.

It seems to me that the vocation "crisis" is precipitated by people who want to change the Church's agenda, by people who do not support orthodox candidates loyal to magisterial teaching of the Pope and the bishops, and by people who actually discourage viable candidates from seeking priesthood and vowed religious life as the Church defines these ministries.
Archbishop Eldon Curtiss, foreward to Goodbye, Good Men.

In my book Goodbye, Good Men (Regnery, 2002), I investigated an intriguing thesis put forth by Archbishop Elden Curtiss. In 1995 he wrote in the pages of the Social Justice Review that orthodoxy breeds vocations, claiming that religious orders and dioceses that supported orthodox candidates to the priesthood and did not tolerate dissent from the Magisterium had documented increases in the number of candidates. My years of research on this and related topics led me to conclude that the Archbishop’s remarks were sound.
Michael Rose

136 posted on 09/19/2005 9:19:59 PM PDT by tuesday afternoon (Everything happens for a reason. - 40 and 43)
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To: tuesday afternoon
I've heard that the more conservative seminaries are attracting lots of applicants, and that the lavender seminaries were losing lots of straight applicants because of the homosexual subculture.

I've heard that too. But, in order to replace the priests who are retiring or dying off, every diocese would have to ordain numbers in double digits.

This Queen Mary may turn around, but it will take several years.

The Church has got to come to terms with priestless parishes, and lay run parishes, for several decades to come.

137 posted on 09/19/2005 9:30:28 PM PDT by sinkspur (It is time for those of us who have much to share with those who have nothing.)
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To: Conservative til I die

I mistyped -- what I meant was that homosexual behavior is immoral but not always illegal whereas pedophilia is immoral AND illegal (in every civilized country I'm aware of).
I don't know what goes on in the heads of men who decide to undertake (if they are honest) a life of celibacy. Certainly they are different from most men. Some may not be attracted to women, some may not have much of a sex drive at all, and some might be attracted to men. If it's not an issue for them and they put their lives and behavior in order and stick with it then they will hopefully make good priest.
But any priest who declares himself a homosexual is probably in the wrong profession. The need for that sort of declaration just doesn't have a place in their lives.


138 posted on 09/19/2005 10:35:48 PM PDT by libsl (I'm just sayin'....)
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To: Melas
"If the priest is celibate, he's not committing the sin of homosexuality."

Stop and think about what you are saying. A priest can be celibate, and still fondle and molest young boys, because people like Bill Clinton says "that isn't really sex".

139 posted on 09/20/2005 6:20:36 AM PDT by TommyDale
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To: TommyDale

Clinton's definition of the word "celibate" is the reason AIDS is running rampant.


140 posted on 09/20/2005 9:19:51 AM PDT by libsl (I'm just sayin'....)
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