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Nationals suspend chapel leader after comments about Jews
WVEC / Associated Press ^ | 09/20/2005 | BRIAN WESTLEY

Posted on 09/20/2005 4:24:28 PM PDT by SJackson

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To: SoCalRight

Yeah, why should he be fired? He was doing his job and answered a question to the strictest letter of his religion. If they don't like it, they should hire a Jewish and whatever else religion chaplain. (I myself don't think Jews will necesarily go straight to Hell)I'm SO sick of political correctness.


21 posted on 09/20/2005 4:39:58 PM PDT by MadManDan
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To: SJackson
As a Jew myself....

This is Outrageous...What...He nodded his head...!!!!

I shutter to think what we would do if Muslims, Arabs etc. spew this kind of hatred...
22 posted on 09/20/2005 4:40:08 PM PDT by forYourChildrenVote4Bush (Thank you America)
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To: MarkL
They don't seem to realize that when it comes to religion, be definition, one must be right, and all the others must be wrong.

How about they are all wrong. But God will accept those that are close enough.

23 posted on 09/20/2005 4:40:11 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: SJackson
Yes, it's bigotry ~ the guy paints with a broad brush and tars Christians who are still children, Christians who are dead and never said anything about Jews, and Christians who are living and who do not badmouth Jews.

His attitude is incredibly uncharitable ~ in fact, it's not consistent with Judaism.

24 posted on 09/20/2005 4:40:15 PM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: MarkL
What's the big deal? I'm Jewish, and I know that according to many Christians, I'll be heading straight to hell when I die. I happen to disagree. But that doesn't and shouldn't invalidate someone else's beliefs. <.i>

Perhaps the Nationals didn't want to endorse that particular belief. That doesn't marginalize anyones belief.

25 posted on 09/20/2005 4:41:32 PM PDT by SJackson (“I worry that I've seen this movie before”, Rep. Mark Kirk on aid to palestinians.)
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To: MarkL

"when it comes to religion, by definition, one must be right, and all the others must be wrong."

That doesn't mean that they are going to hell or are bad people.


26 posted on 09/20/2005 4:41:51 PM PDT by Betaille ("And if the stars burn out there's only fire to blame" -Duran Duran)
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To: SJackson
FWIW, as a Jew and a baseball fan, I don't find this incident in the least bit offensive.

If anything, making a fuss about this feeds a stereotype of Jews as brittle crybabies.

If some clergyman thinks I'm doomed, fine.

27 posted on 09/20/2005 4:42:06 PM PDT by NativeNewYorker
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To: MarkL

Or, alternatively, ALL ARE CORRECT.


28 posted on 09/20/2005 4:42:26 PM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: Dinsdale
They don't seem to realize that when it comes to religion, be definition, one must be right, and all the others must be wrong.

How about they are all wrong. But God will accept those that are close enough.

Grrrr... I'm about to break my own request! It's the Mormons. The Mormans are right!

Mark

29 posted on 09/20/2005 4:42:53 PM PDT by MarkL (I didn't get to where I am today by worrying about what I'd feel like tomorrow!)
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To: Dinsdale
They don't seem to realize that when it comes to religion, be definition, one must be right, and all the others must be wrong.

How about they are all wrong. But God will accept those that are close enough.

Grrrr... I'm about to break my own request! It's the Mormons. The Mormans are right!

Mark

30 posted on 09/20/2005 4:43:03 PM PDT by MarkL (I didn't get to where I am today by worrying about what I'd feel like tomorrow!)
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To: Betaille
What ethnic group is going to Hell?

Don't tell me you think Jews are a race?

31 posted on 09/20/2005 4:43:14 PM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: everyone

The belief that all non-Christians are going to hell is understandably discomforting to all non-Christians, and probably to most Christians in this day and age. I don't like it either, and I would tend to avoid close contact, outside work, with people who believe God is like this.

But so what? Do we not have freedom of religion? Why should this guy be fired or chastised for honestly expressing his religious belief when asked? It's not like he's gone around and told everyone on the team that Jews are damned, is it?

Interesting that the supposed representatives of a group that has suffered tremendous religious persecution should engage in the same persecution themselves. It is they, not Moeller, who are unwilling to live in a diverse society where people feel free to be who they are. I have no sympathy for them, given that they're adults and not 10-year-olds.


32 posted on 09/20/2005 4:43:26 PM PDT by California Patriot
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To: MadManDan
I myself don't think Jews will necesarily go straight to Hell

No, some of us will pass "Go" and collect $200 on our way there.
:-)

33 posted on 09/20/2005 4:43:44 PM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: muawiyah
Yeah, no one likes to be told they're going to hell, but Christians have been saying that for thousands of years is a factual statement. Christians doesn't mean each and every Christian that lived for the last 1,700 or so years.

Freepers support the military. Conservatives are por-life, liberals are pro-choise. Same thing.

34 posted on 09/20/2005 4:43:44 PM PDT by SJackson (“I worry that I've seen this movie before”, Rep. Mark Kirk on aid to palestinians.)
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To: California Patriot
But so what? Do we not have freedom of religion? Why should this guy be fired or chastised for honestly expressing his religious belief when asked?

My guess he was hired to leas a non-denominational prayer. He should have exercised better judgement.

35 posted on 09/20/2005 4:44:54 PM PDT by SJackson (“I worry that I've seen this movie before”, Rep. Mark Kirk on aid to palestinians.)
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To: NativeNewYorker

"If anything, making a fuss about this feeds a stereotype of Jews as brittle crybabies."

There's more than a little self-hatred in that comment. I think you should learn more about jewish history/religion.


36 posted on 09/20/2005 4:45:38 PM PDT by Betaille ("And if the stars burn out there's only fire to blame" -Duran Duran)
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To: Betaille
Why should I pay someone who says that another ethnic group is going to hell?

No one is saying that another ethnic group is going to hell (there are many Jews who believe in Christ), but most Christians believe that non-believers go to hell (or at least don't go to heaven). If a team's going to hire a Christian chaplain, they shouldn't be surprized that he believes this. If they don't like this, then they don't need to hire a Christian chaplain. And if the team doesn't want to be directly connected to this, perhaps the Christian players themselves could arrange for the chaplain.

37 posted on 09/20/2005 4:45:54 PM PDT by Young Scholar
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To: SJackson
No, in this instance the rabbi knew better. It's not like he's some layman who walked in off the street and dressed the part.

He knew he should say SOME, but he didn't.

Give the rabbi credit for being a smart guy for once!

38 posted on 09/20/2005 4:46:05 PM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: SJackson
John 14:6 Jesus said:

"I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me".

So there you have it.
Jesus Christ: Either Liar, Lunatic, or LORD.
Pray for wisdom, research the matter, and choose wisely...

Deut 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

Joshua 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

We will choose to serve the one who is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. Praise the LORD!

39 posted on 09/20/2005 4:48:21 PM PDT by El Cid
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To: muawiyah
Or, alternatively, ALL ARE CORRECT.

That's logically impossible, since most religions and religious leaders (including Jesus and the Apostles) clearly state that they are the only way.

40 posted on 09/20/2005 4:48:27 PM PDT by Young Scholar
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