Posted on 09/21/2005 7:07:58 PM PDT by Know your rights
Police are losing the war against pot and it’s time to make it legal and regulate the cultivation and use of it, says Eugene Oscapella, an Ottawa University criminology teacher who co-founded the Canadian Foundation for Drug Policy.
Police say the number and size of local marijuana operations they’re discovering is increasing.
In the last several weeks, police have laid charges after discovering more than $43-million worth of marijuana, mostly from four big busts. Monday West Grey police discovered another $1.3-million worth of marijuana growing south of Flesherton.
The biggest of recent busts have often involved young, Asia men. Police here can’t say if there are local links to Asian crime gangs. Last week, New Brunswick police blamed Asian gangs for moving east and setting up for large-scale grow operations in their province.
But regardless of who’s growing it, police say some of the larger marijuana grow operations are linked to organized crime.
Oscapella says people shouldn’t be misled into thinking these high-profile drug seizures which police present at news conferences will stem the tide much.
“Typically, they probably only get five to 10 per cent of the drugs that are coming into the country or being produced in the country,” said Oscapella, who lectures on drug policy issues to third-year criminology students at Ottawa University.
“These seizures make virtually no difference into the availability of the drug after a period of time. What they might do is take a few players out of the market, then others will move in.”
Oscapella is an Ottawa lawyer who has served on government commissions, chaired the Law Reform Commission of Canada’s drug policy group and is director of law reform for the Canadian Bar Association. He helped found the Canadian Foundation for Drug Policy, an independent organization to study Canada’s drug laws and policies.
He says police and courts have failed to stop marijuana growers and traffickers and their futile efforts have wasted hundreds of millions of dollars.
Half of all high school students in Ontario have tried marijuana by the time they graduate, he said. Fifty to 80 per cent of the students in his university classes have probably tried it too, he said.
The auditor general in December, 2001 determined the federal government spends $500 million a year dealing with drugs, 95 per cent of which goes to law enforcement.
“The people who are rigidly prohibitionist, they think that the police have the answer . . . and they trust the police,” he said. “Basically I trust the police but on drug policy issues, the police organizations are flat wrong.”
Oscapella says the same thing has happened with the cultivation and sale of illegal marijuana as happened when alcohol was prohibited early last century.
“The use of the criminal law to prohibit the production and sale of drugs like marijuana creates a fantastically profitable black market.”
He says a bushel of marijuana costs little more than a bushel of tomatoes to produce. “By criminalizing it, by prohibiting it on the black market, we have made it worth more than its weight in gold in some cases.”
Oscapella said the criminalization of marijuana use and production encourages the development of modern day Al Capones.
He favours a model proposed by a Senate special committee on illegal drugs in September, 2002. It basically recommended legalizing and regulating marijuana. It would be sold much like alcohol is today, with minimum ages for purchase at state-licensed outlets, like the Liquor Control Board of Ontario, including in some specially designated stores. Penalties for driving under the influence of marijuana already exist.
There would also be a licensing system for commercial marijuana growers, like large-scale alcohol distillers require. But anyone could grow small amounts in their own gardens.
“Yes, some people are harmed by marijuana,” he said. “People are harmed by jogging, by rock climbing, by snowmobiling — big in Owen Sound. People are harmed by many, many things. But do we ban those other things?”
Owen Sound Police Chief Tom Kaye said the reason police don’t have the upper hand on drug-growers is because of lenient court sentences.
“There is a huge amount of money involved in it, with little in the way of penalty that’s being handed out by the courts — not that the penalties aren’t on the books — but it’s just that the courts have taken a very laissez-faire approach,” to sentencing.
The 2004 former Molson factory marijuana grow operation in Barrie produced sentences of about 18 months, Kaye noted. That was touted as Canada’s biggest ever marijuana grow operation, with 30,000 plants which police said would be worth $30 million on the street.
“Down in the United States, the average sentencing down there for a grow op of much less is seven years in the penitentiary. So who’s got the bigger problem with grow ops? We do.”
Kaye, a former head of the Ontario Association of Chiefs of Police, said that organization is having second thoughts about endorsing the federal government’s intention to decriminalize the possession of small amounts of marijuana, which would remove the threat faced by young people who smoke a joint. Under the bill, possession of up to 15 grams of marijuana could lead to a fine of up to $150. Growing more than 50 plants could attract a prison term of up to 14 years.
Kaye said the police association is concerned that the legalization lobby has moved beyond decriminalization and is pushing to make the use of marijuana legal and it’s confusing the public. Even if people could grow marijuana in their backyards, he thinks governments would still be spending lots of money for police to chase marijuana growers, just like police are fighting contraband cigarette producers — to protect tax revenue.
Kaye said legalizing marijuana would be asking for trouble. He called it a “proven gateway drug,” meaning its use leads to harder drug use and polls show most people don’t want it legalized.
Oscapella says he’s never used marijuana and he’s not seeking to relax laws to allow him to start now. But using the law to enforce social policy doesn’t work, he argues.
“Why do some people use methamphetamines? Why do some use heroin? Why do some use cocaine? Prohibition never asks those questions, it just punishes everybody. It never looks at what we call the root causes of harmful drug use.”
Money would be better spent preventing the “small percentage” of people who are harmed by these drugs through education and understanding root causes, Oscapella said.
When the bible mentions "herb", I seriously doubt that it specifically means marijuana. But otherwise, I'm in favor of taking power away from politicians.
Does the consumption of alcohol not harm society? Homosexuality can be shown to harm society, should it be outlawed also?
Do you not believe there comes a point where the government's duty to protect society as a whole becomes oppressive and the harm it does outweighs the good?
In a effort to stop people from enjoying a bit of a naturally occuring weed, the government has created a HUGE black market which in turn causes criminal activity and causes thousands of deaths from violence every year.
Please point to the exact article and section in the Constitution that empowers the federal government to outlaw ANY drug.
In my experience, pot destroys motivation.
It turns most users, especially teens, into naval gazers and gigglers as they morph into a cerebral state of intoxication.
Looking back, I wish I had not smoked so much pot as a teen, not because I think it is permanently harmful, but because it ruined my motivation and seemingly turned me against the so-called establishment.
The other thing pot does is ruin short term memory.
I feel like I missed out on numerous years of my life, mostly because I can't remember details of things I did even though people tell me ....
Most people I know end up hating pot as they get older because smoking it makes them extremely anxious and nervous, like everyone in the world can see that they are high.
It also makes people feel like they are being irresponsible and unable to do anything intricate or demanding.
It certainly qualifies as an herb. The particular herb in question contains the most complete and absorbable combination of amino acids required by the human body for sustenance of any plant or meat on the face of the Earth. I point this out becuase usually people find fault in the use clause of the quotation and 'food' or 'meat' makes more sense relative to this efficient protein source. In addition Strong's Concordance has the word translated as 'food" to be:
'oklah (ok-law'); Noun Feminine, Strong #: 402
| KJV Word Usage and Count | |
| meat | 8 |
| devour | 3 |
| fuel | 3 |
| eat | 2 |
| consume | 1 |
| food | 1 |
"Whoever thinks he understands divine scripture or any part of it, but whose interpretation does not build up the twofold love of God and neighbor, has not really understood it." St. Augustine
"In my experience, pot destroys motivation."
The condition which you speak of is called "Amotivational syndrome," by the satanic psyche communities and is newspeak for "the sloth." It is in no way justification for imprisoning an individual for possession of a flower from the garden of God solely on the basis that it may alter the thoughts in that individual in a manner deemed inappropriate by corporate pawns seeking to maintain the efficiency of their chattel.
Bovine feces. Quit copying and pasting from the DEA website.
"hey quickly got around to opressing everyone."
Unfortunately, statistics show the inequity of prosecution
contrasted with actual use to be still significantly racially
motivated.
Nice to see I am not alone in my views on this.
"People who smoke it morning noon and night and because of that never get much done and have little memory of there lives don't tend to do very well in lives pay for their "gluttony" and hedonism."
Should have said:
"People who smoke it morning noon and night and because of that never get much done and have little memory of their lives pay for their "gluttony" and hedonism."
"I have a friend who is actually addicted to marijuana. You can tell when he is in desperate need of a hit. "
I used to work with a guy who was impossible to be around unless he had gotten lucky at the bar the night before. Then he was a great guy.
No more "far out" than legalizing alcohol as we did by ending Prohibition.
Since alcohol proved bad for you (and others), should it be banned for everyone?
Child porn and pedophilia violate rights; drug use does not.
Sounds to me like he's marshalled his facts:
Half of all high school students in Ontario have tried marijuana by the time they graduate, he said. [...]
Oscapella says the same thing has happened with the cultivation and sale of illegal marijuana as happened when alcohol was prohibited early last century.
“The use of the criminal law to prohibit the production and sale of drugs like marijuana creates a fantastically profitable black market.”
He says a bushel of marijuana costs little more than a bushel of tomatoes to produce. “By criminalizing it, by prohibiting it on the black market, we have made it worth more than its weight in gold in some cases.”
If one consumes a sufficiently small quantity, sure ... but exactly the same is true of any other drug (yes, alcohol is a drug), including marijuana.
"You equated smoking pot to child molesting....."
Please refrain from free association and taking liberty in mispresenting my words. Be thorough in reading all of the discussions between myself and fellow FR's. This should answer your question.
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