Police losing battle over pot, says prof

Owen Sound Sun Times (Canada) ^ | September 19, 2005

[A CA Guy]

I'm pretty sure he liked Hitler's Germany.

Why, was that your dream retirement spot or did you just like their use of drugs during torture?

[68 grunt]

You just said you have bats in your belfry and you want us to take your word for something. I think not.

[This Just In]

Many years ago, I smoked marijuana, smoked cigarettes, and I consume caffeine.

I assure you that there is a tremendous difference between marijuana, and the others you stated. I hope your opinion is not being influence by your religious beliefs at the expense of factual information, if such is the case. This is not to suggest that having a religious opinion automatically disqualifies the validity of an individuals convictions.

[Red6]

"Police are losing the war against pot and it’s time to make it legal and regulate the cultivation and use of it, says Eugene Oscapella, an Ottawa University criminology teacher who co-founded the Canadian Foundation for Drug Policy" The "expert" said

Well, Police are still fighting against child porn and they don't seem to be winning. I guess using this guys logic we should legalize child porn? While at it, why not pedophilia; lets legalize that too? We don’t seem to be winning that battle either.

Liberals:

Legalize drugs, but not my son.

Legalize prostitution, but not my daughter.

Anti death penalty, exception is if my wife gets raped and murdered (A situation they never like to answer and avoid when confronted with).

All for free speech, except if it’s Rush, Dr Laura……….

All for democracy, except if it’s Gore, Schroeder……….

You see a trend?

So, let me see if I get this right. The “expert” stated that since we can’t win we should give up, and of course have the STATE regulate it. Gee, what a surprise.

Red6

[zipper]

These dope threads always start out like this, a few conservative Freepers chime in about the harms of the weed, then before long the libertarians take over and harass the conservatives with endless questions that get annoying really fast.

Incidentally the one that posted this story is one of the L's.

[68 grunt]

Pre-emptive whining? Want cheese? Jeeez ...

[The Worthless Miracle]

If I want to alter my mind, what right do you have to tell me not to? You want a nanny state? Should reefer madness be revisited?

[This Just In]

"Wait, are you talking about marijuana or heroin?"

Both. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and presume you understood me in making a distinction between marijuana and cigarettes.

Unlike cigarettes, any individual who uses heroin becomes addicted.

[SALChamps03]

Ummmmm...no argument here. I agree.

[68 grunt]

Unlike cigarettes, any individual who uses heroin becomes addicted.

I don't mean to be needlessly argumentative, but I think that is incorrect. Hardly anyone is addicted to heroin with just a single use. But regardless, it does sneak up on the user and he soon is addicted, and in this it is much like cigarettes. Same with cocaine, but the worry of instant addiction is extremely valid with meth. Terrible, terrible crap. The noxious by-product of the war on drugs.

[headsonpikes]

Should reefer madness be revisited?

All the madness is in the minds of those who believe the original movie was a documentary.

They have a lot 'invested' in believing the Lie by this point. When you chug-a-lug that much Koolaid, you never come back, I'm afraid.

They constitute the 'useful idiot' brigade of American-style Socialism.

[This Just In]

If you seek sexual gratification with a 5 month old what business is it of the "nanny state?" to infringe on your personal pleasure?

Do you see the logic? That's because there is no logic in that argument.

American's, unlike many in the world, have at their disposal a plethora of ways and means in which to stimulate, entertain, and amuse ourselves legally. Why not pursue such endeavors?

[Ken H]

You know I was a drug user and a alcoholic for almost twenty five years and all that i can say that drugs abuse in general including smoking weed is not good for anybody's mental or physical well being.

What legal penalty would you recommend for marijuana possession? What about small time sellers?

[This Just In]

If this is true, please pardon me. From what I've witnessed, this seemed to be the case.

[Nipplemancer]

Unlike cigarettes, any individual who uses heroin becomes addicted.

no drug has a 100% addiction rate. just because the government said it is so doesn't mean that it's true or close to it.

[This Just In]

My opinion was not based on government "studies". It was based on experiences, not by me personally, and information which I have read and or seen.

None of which necessarily adds any validity to facts.

[68 grunt]

That is the insidious thing. WoD'ies tell these people pot has its roots in hell. Joey tells Johnny that those are lies, and Johnny and Joey smoke pot. Now Johnny thinks everything he was told is a lie, and by happenstance tries cocaine, and guess what? It isn't the end of the world, the next day life goes on and it isn't until the next time, repeats, and again. Soon Johnny's guard is down, his belief gone. He buys. It runs out, but its still not the end of his world. Etc, etc, etc ... The way I understand it happenstance could easily substitute heroin for cocaine. Either way, the cycles catch up on the users and soon they are addicted and all the terrible things with addiction follow.

Meth, though? Meth is different. Little loaded Johnny tries meth once, and its bizarro Nirvana. He forgets about having his nickle for pot, he's got to have more of the tweek. Bang!

Meth, coke, junk, remove the user from the drug and the user will undergo withdrawals, extreme nausea, violence, manic depression and self destruction. Take pot away from the user and he's pissed off for a few days.

[This Just In]

"Take pot away from the user and he's pissed off for a few days" :^)

This is true, to some extent. I have a friend who is actually addicted to marijuana. You can tell when he is in desperate need of a hit.

Illicit drugs are destructive at any level.

[68 grunt]

... You can tell when he is in desperate need of a hit.

I absolutely agree. This last until he sleeps off his buzz. Improvement in temperament will be marked with each sleep/wake cycle.

If he remains a jerk after a few days he's probably a better person when he smokes the stuff. Don't knock it.

[TKDietz]

"Owen Sound Police Chief Tom Kaye said the reason police don’t have the upper hand on drug-growers is because of lenient court sentences.

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“Down in the United States, the average sentencing down there for a grow op of much less is seven years in the penitentiary. So who’s got the bigger problem with grow ops? We do."

The reason Canada has a bigger problem with indoor grow ops than the U.S. is because they don't have Mexico right below them supplying them with many thousands of tons per year of cheap pot, that and Canada's colder temperatures and shorter growing seasons make it far less than ideal for outdoor marijuana growing as the U.S. where several more thousands of tons of marijuana are grown outdoors every year. Besides, large scale indoor grow ops aren't particularly practical in the south where air conditioners have a hard enough time cooling a normal house when the outside temp is over a hundred or in the high nineties. Add a bunch of hot lamp ballasts and several thousand watts of high intensity discharge lamps and it would cost a fortune to keep these places cool enough to grow the indoor indica that likes temperatures in the mid seventies.

Mexicans control most of the bulk wholesale marijuana markets in this country. Why would they want to get involved in a labor intensive process with high start up costs and high ongoing costs when they can just have their buddies in Mexico send them huge loads of dirt cheap product they can move fast for less cash but still make obscene profits? The Vietnamese gangs in Canada would probably be doing the same thing if they could get the same pot for the same prices, but they don't have the connections and even if they did it would be cost prohibitive to smuggle tons and tons of Mexican pot all the way to Canada. If we ever do get control of our southern border and stop most of the thousands of tons of pot that are coming up here though you can bet that we'll see a huge jump in the number of indoor and outdoor growing operations in this country. As long as there is demand and money to be made supplying that demand, the demand is going to be met.