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British scientist criticises US climate "loonies"
Reuters ^ | 9/23/05

Posted on 09/22/2005 7:23:53 PM PDT by Crackingham

A leading British scientist said on Friday the growing ferocity of hurricanes hitting the United States was very probably caused by global warming and criticised what he termed U.S. climate loonies over the issue. Sir John Lawton, chairman of the Royal Commission on Environmental Pollution which advises the government, made what the Independent newspaper said was a thinly disguised attack on the stance of U.S. President George W. Bush's administration.

"The increased intensity of these kinds of extreme storms is very likely to be due to global warming," Lawton told the newspaper in an interview.

"If this makes the climate loonies in the States realise we've got a problem, some good will come out of a truly awful situation," said Lawton.

Less than a month after Hurricane Katrina devastated large areas of the U.S. Gulf coast, a new hurricane called Rita was roaring through the Gulf of Mexico towards the centre of the U.S. oil industry.

Climate change policies sharply divide Bush from many other world leaders who have signed up for caps on emissions of greenhouse gases under the U.N.'s Kyoto protocol. Bush pulled out of Kyoto in 2001, saying it was too expensive and wrongly excluded developing nations from a first round of caps to 2012. In July this year, Bush launched a six-nation plan to combat climate change with Australia, China, India, Japan and South Korea focused on a shift to cleaner energy technology. Unlike Kyoto, it stops short of setting caps on emissions.

Asked what conclusion the Bush administration should draw from two powerful hurricanes hitting the United States in quick succession, Lawton said:

"If what looks like is going to be a horrible mess causes the extreme sceptics about climate change in the U.S. to reconsider their opinion, that would be an extremely valuable outcome.

"There are a group of people in various parts of the world ... who simply don't want to accept human activities can change climate and are changing the climate. I'd liken them to the people who denied that smoking causes lung cancer."

Lawton said hurricanes were getting more intense, just as computer models predicted they would, because of the rising temperature of the sea.

"Increasingly it looks like a smoking gun," he said.

"It's a fair conclusion to draw that global warming, caused to a substantial extent by people, is driving increased sea surface temperatures and increasing the violence of hurricanes."


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1 posted on 09/22/2005 7:23:54 PM PDT by Crackingham
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To: Crackingham

Climate loony yank here. It's all the fault of the evil, possessed SUVs! The vengeful god Yukon Denali demands $75 to fill his coffers (that's about 40 pounds for you loony limeys).


2 posted on 09/22/2005 7:26:50 PM PDT by Sender (Team Infidel USA)
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To: Crackingham
I'd liken them to the people who denied that smoking causes lung cancer.

Well, except that smoking does cause cancer.

3 posted on 09/22/2005 7:28:06 PM PDT by eyespysomething ("The Constitution is the court's taskmaster and it's Congress' taskmaster as well" John G. Roberts)
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To: Crackingham

We haven't had a North Sea storm wipe out The Netherlands in a half a century....must be something we're screwing up?


4 posted on 09/22/2005 7:28:21 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (© 2005, Ravin' Lunatic since 4/98)
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To: Crackingham
Sir John Lawton, chairman of the Royal Commission on Environmental Pollution

Gee, no built-in bias there.

5 posted on 09/22/2005 7:33:11 PM PDT by Sthitch
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To: Crackingham

Dr. Max Mayfield and Dr. William Gray say this increase in hurricanes has nothing to do with global warming. So am I to believe them or this Lawton fellow? I think I'll stick with the former.


6 posted on 09/22/2005 7:36:07 PM PDT by David1
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To: Crackingham
Every single time I hear such it brings to mind the Azimov story Nightfall. Though the short story deals with a longer timespan it is about folks responding irrationally to something they have not seen before in their lifetimes. Global warming for most of its adherents is religion rather than science. Michael Crighton spoke on this topic recently. Perhaps somebody with a source can post that speech.
7 posted on 09/22/2005 7:36:56 PM PDT by jimfree (Freep and Ye shall find.)
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To: Crackingham

I think these hurricanes are due to the British not brushing their teeth. Prove me wrong.


8 posted on 09/22/2005 7:37:57 PM PDT by gore_sux (and so does Xlinton)
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To: Crackingham

06 January 2005
03/05



New Year Honours
We are delighted to extend hearty congratulations to three NERC staff who have been chosen for awards in the Queen’s New Year Honours list.

NERC’s Chief Executive, Professor Sir John Lawton, CBE, FRS, has been awarded a Knighthood for his contribution to ecological science.

Sir John began his career by studying zoology at the University of Durham, completing his PhD in 1969. Since then he has held several university posts and has served on a wide range of committees and bodies. In 1989 he founded, and was appointed Director of, the NERC Centre for Population Biology at Imperial College, Silwood Park, where he remained until 1999. He took up his present post as Chief Executive of NERC in October 1999, but retains his Professorship in an honorary capacity at Imperial College of Science, Technology and Medicine.

His scientific interests are wide, but have focused on the population dynamics and biodiversity of birds and insects, with emphasis over the last decade on the impacts of global environmental change on wild plants and animals. He has published over 320 scientific papers, and written or edited five books.

Sir John says, “I’m completely taken aback, but also delighted to be honoured in this way.”



9 posted on 09/22/2005 7:38:42 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Crackingham

http://capmag.com/article.asp?ID=4403

Interview with Dr. William Gray that refutes this guy.


10 posted on 09/22/2005 7:41:27 PM PDT by David1
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To: Crackingham

Loonies? It takes one to know one, as we used to say in my younger years.


11 posted on 09/22/2005 7:42:07 PM PDT by John Valentine
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To: Crackingham
Hurricane experts, meteorologists, and climatologists agree that only 10% of the strength of a hurricane is directly related to oceanic temperature.

If, IF, the recent upswing in hurricane intensity is caused by "global" warming, then why isn't it a "global" problem? No increased ferocity of storms reported in the other oceans around the world.

12 posted on 09/22/2005 7:42:20 PM PDT by infidel29 ("We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." --Benjamin Franklin)
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Human induced global warming is the modern day version of sacrificing virgins to appease the volcano gods. The same superstitions, arrogance and stupidity possess the GW wackoes as did their primitive ancestors.
13 posted on 09/22/2005 7:42:56 PM PDT by PA Engineer
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We haven't had a North Sea storm wipe out The Netherlands in a half a century....must be something we're screwing up?

Exactly. It is not the storms but our own pathetic lack of preparation on the levee system which led to so many deaths in LA. (the Miss. deaths were mostly unavoidable). The Dutch spent billions decades ago so they could never be hurt again.

Also, this so-called scientist has nothing to say on the sharp DECREASE in hurricanes over the past 70 years...

...or did I miss his blistering criticism of FDR for global warming in 1943?

14 posted on 09/22/2005 7:45:14 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Crackingham

More to read by Dr. Gray on Hurricanes and Global Warming:
http://hurricane.atmos.colostate.edu/forecasts/2005/april2005/


15 posted on 09/22/2005 7:47:27 PM PDT by David1
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To: Crackingham
Elementary math:

2% of the CO2 released into the atmosphere each year comes from human [industrial] activity.

If the industrialized nations, including the US (but not China - ain't no way they're doing it)cut CO2 output by 20% (a fantastically unrealistic goal) we might end up with a world wide reduction of 10% or less, under a best case scenario.

10% of 2% = .2% . Think about it. 2/10's of 1%!

If human "activity" is actually causing measurable climate change, we need to start having fun, because we are truly SOL.

PS-When I presented this math to a very scientifically educated lib I know, his response was "well, anything is better than nothing". Proving once again, that none of this is about climate.
16 posted on 09/22/2005 7:48:05 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s......you weren't really there.)
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To: PA Engineer
Human induced global warming is the modern day version of sacrificing virgins to appease the volcano gods.

Well said.

17 posted on 09/22/2005 7:50:00 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s......you weren't really there.)
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To: Crackingham

All I have to say is this: When you British or American Chicken Littles can tell me whether to bring an umbrella to the Masters in Augusta on Thursday sooner than the Sunday before, maybe I'll start buying your lemonade. Until then, shut up. You can't predict the weather sooner than 10 days. What makes you think you can tell me what the weather will be like in two or three years or ten. Please just admit that you guys are guessing and leave the rest of us alone!


18 posted on 09/22/2005 7:53:48 PM PDT by LumberHack
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To: PA Engineer

Aliens cause Global Warming:

http://www.crichton-official.com/speeches/speeches_quote04.html


19 posted on 09/22/2005 7:53:57 PM PDT by poindexters brother
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To: Crackingham
There is warming of the globe, but gov't funded scientists fail to see that the warming comes from Central China, Saudi Arabia, and North Africa. If these deserts had been as irrigated as Israel or Arizona, we wouldn't have half the storms we deal with every year. Good luck trying to work the land in these parched nations starving for Christ.

"Global Warming" is a product of denying stewardship of what should always have been healthy agrarian economies.

"Global Warming" is nothing short of a direct attack on the Americas that's centuries in the making by forces not perceived with human eyes. Look at who rules such lands that heat the air Eastward of Bermuda all the way to the coast of China and you'll find your reason for "Global Warming".

Nations free of Communism and fanatical Islam won't dismantle industry for an unsound theory on weather patterns. Heck, we're more likely to build irrigation corporations for such deserts, and China would certainly be all for it just as Wall Street would get rich off of its IPOs. Europeans were ecstatic to cut a path from the Mediterranean to the Red Sea just to water their Far East trade. Investors now will be happy to fund irrigation and overseas agrarian economies.
20 posted on 09/22/2005 7:54:50 PM PDT by SaltyJoe ("Social Justice" begins with the unborn child.)
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