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Man Charged With Animal Cruelty After Tossing Kitten To Pit Bull
AP ^ | 9/24/05

Posted on 09/24/2005 11:15:49 PM PDT by Uncle Joe Cannon

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To: PositiveCogins

You mean for the sake of stupid discussion.

If I took your daughter and threw her to a cannibal, does that make the same argument?


41 posted on 09/25/2005 12:11:06 AM PDT by Loud Mime (Finally, people understand that Liberalism IS a religion! Faith (twisted) rather than logic.)
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To: paulat

LOL......you're kind :)


42 posted on 09/25/2005 12:11:23 AM PDT by indcons (Koran - The World's First WMD)
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To: Uncle Joe Cannon

Get his pit bull hungry, and roll this SOB up in lunch meat.


43 posted on 09/25/2005 12:12:19 AM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: Uncle Joe Cannon

Here he is. The MF looks like the town idiot..

44 posted on 09/25/2005 12:18:04 AM PDT by csvset
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To: PositiveCogins
Really good question.

My take on it is that the difference is that both dogs and housecats are uniquely bound to humankind, unlike any other animal that I can think of, in that they helped create an environment where humans could engage in agriculture and ultimately advance to more civilized societies.

Dogs and housecats (I say housecats to differentiate from cats in general, which include cougars, jaguars, tigers lions, bobcats, etc.) were not animals of toil, like oxen or horses, or food sources, like cows and poultry. Instead, they were "employees" in a sense. For food and lodging, so to speak, they earned their keep: cats kept down the rodents and reptiles (I've been told that storage of grain was virtually impossible without the help of cats to control rat populations), and even today a good gopher-hunting cat when you've got a large yard is very convenient!). Dogs did and still do help herd animals, help men hunt game, protect children and families, kill rodents, and so forth.

Snakes and mice, on the other hand, share no such symbiotic or sympathetic bond with us. That, for me, justifies the difference in tossing a mouse to a snake and not thinking twice, while finding abhorrent the tossing of a cat to a pit-bull. Interestingly, I would be just as disgusted to hear of a man who threw, say, a good Australian Shepherd or a worthy hound, to a tiger. A family I knew as a kid had an Australian Shepherd who took a hit from a rattlesnake to protect one of the kids. The dog would have died, except that its owners were able to get it to vet in the nick of time. I have heard of cats that have woken whole families to get them out of burning houses. Have never heard of a snake or a pet mouse do something comparable!

45 posted on 09/25/2005 12:19:09 AM PDT by Finny (God continue to Bless President G.W. Bush with wisdom, popularity, safety and success.)
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To: msf92497

Why would you neuter a dead dog?


46 posted on 09/25/2005 12:19:51 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: PositiveCogins
How long will it be before "cruelty to animals" is used for cows, chickens, pigs, etc? Who decides whats cruel and whats not?

There's a difference between slaughtering farm animals for human consumption and picking up a kitten that belongs to someone else (while other children were playing with it) and throwing it to your pit bull for it to eat.

47 posted on 09/25/2005 12:24:54 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (We DARE Defend Our Rights [Alabama State Motto])
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To: Loud Mime
A clear definition of cruelty to animals for one and who decides what animals you can be cruel to and what animals you cant. Step back and take a good look. Most of these replies to my post seem to come from the PETA hand book (if there is one I don't know). Cases like this set a precedent
that can be used by libs, PETA, and envirowhackos. I was suggesting the private property laws be used instead.
48 posted on 09/25/2005 12:26:07 AM PDT by PositiveCogins
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To: PositiveCogins

Funny they never said anything about the Muslims in NC slaughtering lambs for a religions ceromony...


49 posted on 09/25/2005 12:32:07 AM PDT by lndrvr1972
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To: PositiveCogins
The treatment of pets are public business.
50 posted on 09/25/2005 12:34:41 AM PDT by endthematrix (JOHN ROBERTS vs JOE BIDEN ................... ROBERTS wins TKO in second round!)
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To: skr

make it more even.....toss his ass in a lions den.....


51 posted on 09/25/2005 12:36:41 AM PDT by fatteddy
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To: Finny
If you had a pet snake and I grabbed it by it's tail and slammed it on the floor would I not be charged with cruelty to animals? Or would I be charged with destruction of private property? Of course I would probably get my a$$ kicked but thats beside the point.
52 posted on 09/25/2005 12:37:52 AM PDT by PositiveCogins
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To: PositiveCogins

You think you are being cute. I, and maybe some others, think you are a pest who is wasting time.


53 posted on 09/25/2005 12:38:47 AM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: decal

Nice News of the Weird flashback.

My former boss, who was practically a millionaire and a pillar in his community, had the unfortunate "Wayne" middle name.

We used to tease him terribly, and we'd clip out the NOTW updates whenever they appeared, and placed them on his desk.


54 posted on 09/25/2005 12:39:49 AM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (In this country unelected judges don't write the laws. We have unelected lobbyists to do that.)
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To: Uncle Joe Cannon

The officers should have pointed one gun on the sicko and the other on the dog and said, "Go ahead."


55 posted on 09/25/2005 12:40:31 AM PDT by Ruth A.
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
"You think you are being cute. I, and maybe some others, think you are a pest who is wasting time."
Ahh wasting time another one of my favorite topics. Care
to discuss?
56 posted on 09/25/2005 12:45:12 AM PDT by PositiveCogins
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To: PositiveCogins

The kitten was someone's pet. Dog food is available at the store. You don't go to the pet store and buy feeder kittens.


57 posted on 09/25/2005 12:55:08 AM PDT by beaversmom
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To: msf92497

Neuter the dog and shoot the man. This is the kind of person who is thoughtless ( obviously) and careless, and will allow his dog to run loose and attack your children. I speak from experience (I am a pediatric nurse) when I say I am SICK of taking care of kids bitten by wandering dogs. The pit bulls do the most harm, they bite and don't let go. It embarrasses me that this 'human' lives in KY.


58 posted on 09/25/2005 12:55:10 AM PDT by HoldStill
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To: PositiveCogins
Legally, I don't know, but it would be sensible and logical to charge you with destruction of private property. Morally, I personally would vote "not guilty" on the cruelty to animals charge, even though I like snakes and had plenty as pets (temporary ... my mom always made me let 'em go) as a kid, and I ADORE lizards. But they're ... snakes and lizards, not right bright.

Bottom line: I'm all for species profiling. Dogs and housecats are at the top of the list of those to be favored and safeguarded against cruelty, if only because of their "independent contractor" status in human history and civilization-building that is unique in the animal kingdom. They helped us get where we are! Many popular pet birds, like macaws and African greys, even ridiculous little parakeets, are highly intelligent, so I (if anybody asked) would put them on a cruelty-safeguard list.

The more intelligent the animal, the more likely I would give it "safeguard" status in charges of animal cruelty. Insects, rodents (yes, I had my share of rodent pets as a kid, and know how surprisingly intelligent they can be), domesticated stock animals bred for human consumption, I think are off the safeguard list. Of course you're going to get people who will say sending them to the slaughterhouse is cruel, but again, I'm all for profiling and have no problem making judgement calls, such as it's okay to slaughter a highly intelligent pig for market, but not okay to slaughter a less-intelligent chihuahua for kicks. Call me inconsistent, but what human isn't?

I don't like wanton torture or cruelty to any critter, not even a spider. As a little girl, I used to kick ass on the playground when I saw boys being boys and stabbing ants one by one with toothpicks! I was a redhead, what can I say. But personally I am convinced that the person who indulges in true torture and cruelty to any animal suffers his own kind of hell.

59 posted on 09/25/2005 12:59:35 AM PDT by Finny (God continue to Bless President G.W. Bush with wisdom, popularity, safety and success.)
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To: PositiveCogins
"How long will it be before "cruelty to animals" is used for cows, chickens, pigs, etc?"

Already is.

"In a temporary advance for Canadian feminism, higher-ups ordered the Central Experimental Farm, an agricultural museum and research center in Ottawa, to stop giving cows human-female names like Elsie and Bessie because such names "might give offense to women," the Boston Globe reports. "Some people are ... sensitive to finding their name on an animal. I am, for example," said Genevieve Ste.-Marie, who issued the order as director of the National Museum of Science and Technology. "Let's say you came in and found your name on a cow, and you thought the cow was old and ugly." Names like Clover, Rhubarb and Buttercup were still deemed okay, with borderline cases such as Daisy being decided on a "cow-by-cow basis". Also cited as acceptable was "Bossy"."

(order has been reversed)

60 posted on 09/25/2005 1:00:12 AM PDT by endthematrix (JOHN ROBERTS vs JOE BIDEN ................... ROBERTS wins TKO in second round!)
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