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To: Keith in Iowa
Just fore discussion. Whats the difference in a kitten and a dog ,and a mouse and a pet snake? One can be just as cruel in his own mind by having a pet snake just for the joy of watching it eat a mouse. Yet its ok.
Where is the line drawn between the two and who has the right to draw that line?
11 posted on 09/24/2005 11:28:27 PM PDT by PositiveCogins
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To: PositiveCogins

A snake eating a mouse would happen in nature.

While possible in theory, it is highly unlikely a pit bull would make a meal of a kitten without human intervention.


13 posted on 09/24/2005 11:33:09 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Does the name Pavlov ring a bell?)
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To: PositiveCogins

And it was someone else's kitten.


14 posted on 09/24/2005 11:34:43 PM PDT by decal (Mother Nature and Real Life are conservatives; the Progs have never figured this out.)
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To: PositiveCogins

I think it's a difference between domesticated fun furry animals that you can cuddle with (dogs and cats) and snakes that you don't want to get your face too close too because they may take a chomp thinking you're food and not a master..

Mice are rodents... If a snake owner wishes to save mice, feed the snake puppy chow..

When snakes eat puppy chow or kibble and bits, then I'll think we can accept it as an equal to the traditional domesticated animals.

You are right about animal sterotypes but the snake has been a symbol of evil for a long time.. Tough to break into dog and cat status with that...




16 posted on 09/24/2005 11:36:36 PM PDT by delchiante
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To: PositiveCogins
The kitten was a pet. The kitten was owned by somebody else. The kitten was seized from little kids playing with it. There are more too.

One need not view the kitten as something more than a mouse to see these differences. You are trying so hard to be intellectually unbiased and superior that you focus on one small truth, but miss the bigger picture.

18 posted on 09/24/2005 11:38:41 PM PDT by bluefish (Holding out for worthy tagline...)
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To: PositiveCogins
Just fore discussion. Whats the difference in a kitten and a dog ,and a mouse and a pet snake? One can be just as cruel in his own mind by having a pet snake just for the joy of watching it eat a mouse. Yet its ok. Where is the line drawn between the two and who has the right to draw that line?

Are you sure you're not a libertarian? It sounds like you're being coy-- the beginnings of a typical libertarian attempt at entrapment.

Well, relax, at least I didn't imply you might be a PETA member.

25 posted on 09/24/2005 11:50:02 PM PDT by zipper (Freedom Isn't Free)
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To: PositiveCogins

You mean for the sake of stupid discussion.

If I took your daughter and threw her to a cannibal, does that make the same argument?


41 posted on 09/25/2005 12:11:06 AM PDT by Loud Mime (Finally, people understand that Liberalism IS a religion! Faith (twisted) rather than logic.)
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To: PositiveCogins
Really good question.

My take on it is that the difference is that both dogs and housecats are uniquely bound to humankind, unlike any other animal that I can think of, in that they helped create an environment where humans could engage in agriculture and ultimately advance to more civilized societies.

Dogs and housecats (I say housecats to differentiate from cats in general, which include cougars, jaguars, tigers lions, bobcats, etc.) were not animals of toil, like oxen or horses, or food sources, like cows and poultry. Instead, they were "employees" in a sense. For food and lodging, so to speak, they earned their keep: cats kept down the rodents and reptiles (I've been told that storage of grain was virtually impossible without the help of cats to control rat populations), and even today a good gopher-hunting cat when you've got a large yard is very convenient!). Dogs did and still do help herd animals, help men hunt game, protect children and families, kill rodents, and so forth.

Snakes and mice, on the other hand, share no such symbiotic or sympathetic bond with us. That, for me, justifies the difference in tossing a mouse to a snake and not thinking twice, while finding abhorrent the tossing of a cat to a pit-bull. Interestingly, I would be just as disgusted to hear of a man who threw, say, a good Australian Shepherd or a worthy hound, to a tiger. A family I knew as a kid had an Australian Shepherd who took a hit from a rattlesnake to protect one of the kids. The dog would have died, except that its owners were able to get it to vet in the nick of time. I have heard of cats that have woken whole families to get them out of burning houses. Have never heard of a snake or a pet mouse do something comparable!

45 posted on 09/25/2005 12:19:09 AM PDT by Finny (God continue to Bless President G.W. Bush with wisdom, popularity, safety and success.)
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To: PositiveCogins

The kitten was someone's pet. Dog food is available at the store. You don't go to the pet store and buy feeder kittens.


57 posted on 09/25/2005 12:55:08 AM PDT by beaversmom
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To: PositiveCogins

I used to have Red-tail Boas they used to eat rabbits! Whats worse, killing the rabbits or starving the snake??


69 posted on 09/25/2005 5:15:50 AM PDT by Luigi Vasellini (60% of Saudis, 58%of Iraqis, 55%of Kuwaitis,50% of Jordanians married 1st or 2nd cousins. LOL!!!)
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To: PositiveCogins

Hypothetically, if some guy wanted to feed his cats to his pit bulls (provided he did it in a non-cruel way, meaning killing the cats first) to feed them, that would be disturbing but probably not criminal. But for the guy to take a kitten belonging to a 12 year old girl and throw it to his dog (and then threaten the cops with the dog) clearly shows him to be a psychopath. In my opinion, animal cruelty charges alone aren't enough. It would be animal cruelty if he did it to his own kittens, but the penalty should be much harsher since he did it to someone else's.


72 posted on 09/25/2005 5:46:24 AM PDT by Young Scholar
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To: PositiveCogins

>Whats the difference in a kitten and a dog ,and a mouse and a pet snake?<

Think of it like this (and don't forget, this asshat used somebody else's kitten), a dog is perfectly capable of eating, and thriving, on dog food.

A snake, on the other hand, requires live food, or sometimes can be conditioned to eat pre-killed, frozen mice.

This pervert did not need to feed the dog a live kitten. He's a sadistic animal, and needs to be locked away from the rest of humanity.


76 posted on 09/25/2005 7:09:13 AM PDT by Darnright (Remember that a lone amateur built the Ark. A large group of professionals built the Titanic.)
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To: PositiveCogins
Whats the difference in a kitten and a dog ,and a mouse and a pet snake? One can be just as cruel in his own mind by having a pet snake just for the joy of watching it eat a mouse. Yet its ok.

The main point, to me, is that he grabbed a little girl's beloved pet out of her lap, and had his dog kill it. If it was my kid's pet, I would have been tempted to return the favor by stuffing him into the trunk of my car and going down south to look for a nice alligator

83 posted on 09/25/2005 8:16:38 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Never try to teach a pig to sing -- it wastes your time and it annoys the pig)
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To: PositiveCogins
If you are having difficulty drawing a line between someone feeding a pet snake a rat and the incident described in the post, you need to work on some other areas before you tackle this one.
84 posted on 09/25/2005 8:33:31 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: PositiveCogins

Just fore discussion
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87 posted on 09/25/2005 2:21:02 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear
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