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Rather's Comforting Words for Mapes: 'F--k 'Em All' (FR mentioned)
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Posted on 09/27/2005 5:44:14 AM PDT by RatherBiased.com

Mary Mapes, the CBS News producer fired for her role in Memogate, has come out with her new book, Truth and Duty : The Press, the President, and the Privilege of Power.

In it she mentions some encouraging words from Dan Rather, offering his support for her in her darkest hour.

I knew I could count on Dan. In tough situations, he became “fightin’ Dan,” someone who told us all to “never back up, never back down, never give up, never give in.” I was glad to hear from him and reassured by his reaction to all of it.

Dan told me he was confident in the story and that he was lucky to work with me. He signed off by saying something that had become a shorthand for us over the years: “F-E-A.” That was code for “F---’Em All,” a sentiment that needed to be expressed from time to time in any newsroom. Dan was too much of a gentleman to say the real thing---at least most of the time. But he knew that when I was under deadline or work pressure I was hard put to find any sentence that couldn’t be improved by the liberal use of the “f”-word. At this point, I deeply appreciated the sentiment.

Mapes also claimed that the first criticism of the documents appeared before 60 Minutes had even ended and before the documents were put up on the CBS website. But the forum hosting the criticism was from the West coast, with an earlier timezone.

Mapes also demonstrated what could be a lack of knowledge about just what it was people were criticizing. She referred to "peripheral spacing" appearing on some typewriters, when the actual term was "proportional spacing."

Within a few minutes, I was online visiting Web sites I had never heard of before: Free Republic, Little Green Footballs, Power Line. They were hard-core, politically angry, hyperconservative sites loaded with vitriol about Dan Rather and CBS. Our work was being compared to that of Jayson Blair, the discredited New York Times reporter who had fabricated and plagiarized stories.

All these Web sites had extensive write-ups on the documents: on typeface, font style, and peripheral spacing, material that seemed to spring up overnight. It was phenomenal. It had taken our analysts hours of careful work to make comparisons. It seemed that these analysts or commentators---or whatever they were---were coming up with long treatises in minutes. They were all linking to one another, creating an echo chamber of outraged agreement.

I was told that the first posting claiming the documents were fakes had gone up on Free Republic before our broadcast was even off the air! How had the Web site even gotten copies of the documents? We hadn’t put them online until later. That first entry, posted by a longtime Republican political activist lawyer who used the name “Buckhead,” set the tone for what was to come.

There was no analysis of what the documents actually said, no work done to look at the content, no comparison with the official record, no phone calls made to check the facts of the story, nothing beyond a cursory and politically motivated examination of the typeface. That was all they had to attack, but that was enough.



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KEYWORDS: buckhead; cbs; danrather; mapes; marymapes; memogate; rather; rathergate; tankerkc
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1 posted on 09/27/2005 5:44:15 AM PDT by RatherBiased.com
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To: RatherBiased.com

So she's a liar AND an idiot.

Fitting.


2 posted on 09/27/2005 5:46:03 AM PDT by RightOnline
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To: RatherBiased.com

Hey Mapes, W STILL THE PRESIDENT! :D


3 posted on 09/27/2005 5:47:28 AM PDT by Echo Talon (http://echotalon.blogspot.com)
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To: RatherBiased.com
There was no analysis of what the documents actually said, no work done to look at the content, no comparison with the official record, no phone calls made to check the facts of the story, nothing beyond a cursory and politically motivated examination of the typeface. That was all they had to attack, but that was enough.

All they had to attack was the fact that the documents were forgeries. It's the seriousness of the charge that matters not whether the documents are real or fake. /sarcasm off

4 posted on 09/27/2005 5:48:46 AM PDT by hflynn ( Soros wouldn't make any sense even if he spelled his name backwards)
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To: RightOnline

Her new book is called 'Truth and Duty'?!?

Thats a big laff! I guess in their twisted world, their duty is to fabricate 'truth' to fit their political agenda's.

Too bad they get busted for it now, they sure got away with it for a long time.


5 posted on 09/27/2005 5:48:49 AM PDT by GaltMeister (“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.”)
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To: RatherBiased.com
Class acts, Mary Mapes & Dan Rathermdon't you think? Why look at the content of a lie? It's enough to know that it is a lie. Thank God for people like "Buckhead" and for sites like FreeRepublic, Powerline, & LittleGreenFootballs. The MSM will never be able to lie to us again and get away with it.
6 posted on 09/27/2005 5:50:05 AM PDT by chesley
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To: RatherBiased.com
There was no analysis of what the documents actually said, no work done to look at the content, no comparison with the official record, no phone calls made to check the facts of the story, nothing beyond a cursory and politically motivated examination of the typeface smear job on the President. That was all they had to attack, but that was enough.

Tell the truth Mary. It's okay, really.

7 posted on 09/27/2005 5:50:19 AM PDT by misterrob
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To: RatherBiased.com
It wasn't just the "type face" but the time dilation factor ~ many of us here at Free Republic know a lot more about the printing business than is seemly, and when CBS tried to peddle current technology as old technology, it was too much.

This Mapes woman is exceptionally stupid. How did she ever get a job with even CBS?

8 posted on 09/27/2005 5:52:00 AM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: RatherBiased.com; All
How had the Web site even gotten copies of the documents? We hadn’t put them online until later

I have been searching for the original live thread of that show--does anyone have it bookmarked?

It would be interesting to post a link to it in this thread.

9 posted on 09/27/2005 5:52:30 AM PDT by proud American in Canada
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To: hflynn

I still recall Blather's response to the charge that the documents were forgeries: "I don't care if the documents are fake the President must answer the charges."

What an idiot!


10 posted on 09/27/2005 5:54:30 AM PDT by Coachm
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To: RatherBiased.com
All these Web sites had extensive write-ups on the documents: on typeface, font style, and peripheral spacing, material that seemed to spring up overnight

No wonder she slipped up. She never bothered to research Earth culture and technology before she came here.

11 posted on 09/27/2005 5:57:11 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy ("Nothing is more important than saving The Earth from Republicans" - South Park)
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To: RatherBiased.com
Regarding follow-up phone-calls ~ I recall one that was particularly devastating ~ someone at FR called the FAX number on the photocopy CBS was passing around.

Apparantly CBS hadn't even done that.

It was to a Kinko's ~ in Texas.

The implication was profound. Either Mary Mapes was stepping out of her well-equipped editor's office to use a FAX at Kinko's (to cover her own trail?) or someone else had sent the FAX (and a well-known, but otherwise mentally ill, anti-Bush activist lived there).

I wonder why Mary doesn't mention that phone call?

12 posted on 09/27/2005 5:57:19 AM PDT by muawiyah (/ hey coach do I gotta' put in that "/sarcasm " thing again?)
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To: RatherBiased.com
There was no analysis of what the documents actually said, no work done to look at the content, no comparison with the official record, no phone calls made to check the facts of the story

We know, Mary. We know. ;)

13 posted on 09/27/2005 5:57:47 AM PDT by TheBigB (I will punch the next person who confuses "you're" and "your". Seriously. Don't test me.)
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To: RatherBiased.com
Sick and pathetic.

I'm reminded of a Seinfield episode when Elaine is explaining to George that (after a hit on his head) he should "stick with the opposite," because everything he does on instinct is wrong.

I'm thinking you chose to go with instinct in your book Miss M.....stick with the opposite!

14 posted on 09/27/2005 5:57:56 AM PDT by NordP (Must See TV - Mark Levine's Supreme Court Nomination Hearings ----- I WISH!)
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To: RatherBiased.com

What a blithering idiot. She belongs at CBS. Her intellectual prowess is what keeps sending people Free Republics way. I salute her.


15 posted on 09/27/2005 5:58:06 AM PDT by Tolkien (Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.)
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To: RatherBiased.com

Didn't this vile POS Mary Mapes also break the Abu Graibe story?

F you, you damn America hater. Ego run rampant while you hurt America and our troops in Iraq.


16 posted on 09/27/2005 5:58:18 AM PDT by dennisw (You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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To: muawiyah

Yah, a crack team at CBS, huh? Mostly crack.


17 posted on 09/27/2005 5:58:47 AM PDT by NordP (Must See TV - Mark Levine's Supreme Court Nomination Hearings ----- I WISH!)
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To: RatherBiased.com

I hope she gets what she deserves. Unemployment and nobody but Dan Blather buying her book.


18 posted on 09/27/2005 5:59:30 AM PDT by kevinm13 (The Main Stream Media is dead! Fox News Channel Rocks!)
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To: dennisw

 

Mary Mapes and Abu Ghraib prison

 

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The same crusading and risk-taking that doomed producer Mary Mapes on the National
Guard story led to CBS’s triumph on Abu Ghraib.
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19 posted on 09/27/2005 6:00:08 AM PDT by dennisw (You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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To: dennisw

Yep, and call this site hard-core, politically angry, and hyperconservative. Yeah....WE're the bad guys. Sheesh.


20 posted on 09/27/2005 6:00:33 AM PDT by NordP (Must See TV - Mark Levine's Supreme Court Nomination Hearings ----- I WISH!)
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To: RatherBiased.com
If Mary Mapes and Dan Rather were honest they would have stuck by the story - AND the documents. They did neither. 1st commandment of pathological liars: When confronted with the truth, deny everything and attack your accusers.
21 posted on 09/27/2005 6:01:22 AM PDT by manwiththehands
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To: TheBigB

And the weird part is she seemed SHOCKED that we all took an interest in FINDING OUT THE TRUTH.


22 posted on 09/27/2005 6:01:50 AM PDT by NordP (Must See TV - Mark Levine's Supreme Court Nomination Hearings ----- I WISH!)
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To: muawiyah
"This Mapes woman is exceptionally stupid. How did she ever get a job with even CBS?"

This was a rhetorical question, right? I think it is a requirement.

23 posted on 09/27/2005 6:02:21 AM PDT by Designer (Just a nit-pick'n and chagrin'n)
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To: manwiththehands

Yep, and then to put that word "Truth" in the title of your book. These people have VERY large huevos ....


24 posted on 09/27/2005 6:03:02 AM PDT by NordP (Must See TV - Mark Levine's Supreme Court Nomination Hearings ----- I WISH!)
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To: proud American in Canada
I have been searching for the original live thread of that show--does anyone have it bookmarked?

Any luck in finding the thread? I would love to confront Mary Mapes with the truth again by clarifying the record on when the documents were first analyzed as fraudulent.

25 posted on 09/27/2005 6:05:03 AM PDT by GWB00
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To: RatherBiased.com
Too bad, Mary.

Our side still has Buckhead.....your side has the "retired" F-E-A-head.

Leni

26 posted on 09/27/2005 6:05:11 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Re: The Anti-War Sheehan-ites - They want to live in the garden but not tend the garden)
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To: RatherBiased.com
I love it when a lefty's been spanked by FR....and knows it.
27 posted on 09/27/2005 6:05:30 AM PDT by clintonh8r (If you don't support the mission, you DON'T "support the troops"!!!)
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To: RatherBiased.com

Funny. That's the way I've felt about TV in general and news casts specifically for about the last twenty years...


28 posted on 09/27/2005 6:06:07 AM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: RatherBiased.com

Mary Mapes....Robin Rather's "best friend"?


29 posted on 09/27/2005 6:07:14 AM PDT by clintonh8r (If you don't support the mission, you DON'T "support the troops"!!!)
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To: RatherBiased.com
nothing beyond a cursory and politically motivated examination of the typeface

If a cursory examination of the typeface can pull down your whole story, it must have had a pretty flimsy foundation, no? Stupid is as stupid reports, I guess.

30 posted on 09/27/2005 6:08:49 AM PDT by MortMan (Mostly Harmless)
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To: RatherBiased.com
What a bunch of crap, she would leave us all to believe that nothing short of a conspiracy had taken place when they were discredited such a short time of the airing.
Seems implausible to them that ordinary citizens are smarter then them.

These pompous fools are still in denial, must have been Karl Rove behind it eh?

31 posted on 09/27/2005 6:09:06 AM PDT by #1CTYankee (I thought about that and DELIBERATELY didn't go there. (Or maybe I did?))
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To: RightOnline
Within a few minutes, I was online visiting Web sites I had never heard of before: Free Republic, Little Green Footballs, Power Line.

And in a single sentence, Mapes reveals her hermetically-sealed ignorance of anything outside the perimeter of Liberal Land.

32 posted on 09/27/2005 6:09:23 AM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: RatherBiased.com
Mapes, whining about how she and her buddy Dan Ratherbiased were caught by conservative thinkers on the 'net said:

"All these Web sites had extensive write-ups on the documents: on typeface, font style, and peripheral spacing, material that seemed to spring up overnight. It was phenomenal. It had taken our analysts hours of careful work to make comparisons. It seemed that these analysts or commentators---or whatever they were---were coming up with long treatises in minutes. They were all linking to one another, creating an echo chamber of outraged agreement."

Yes, Mary, amazing, isn't it--your lies were immediately detected and those finding them now have a forum to have their voices heard. The Old Media world is crumbling, Mary...you and your liberal hack friends now are going to be more accountable for your propaganda.

Sweet, isn't it?

33 posted on 09/27/2005 6:09:35 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: All

Related:

Rather: CBS 'Doesn't Want Me to' Pursue Bush Guard Story
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1491897/posts


34 posted on 09/27/2005 6:10:23 AM PDT by RatherBiased.com
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To: GWB00; proud American in Canada
Go here for all things related to the original story...
35 posted on 09/27/2005 6:10:25 AM PDT by vrwinger (You're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.)
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Dear Mary,

F-E-A better describes how we feel about cBS News.

Your days are over as effective promoters of the Democratic Party.

Man, some people never learn.....The reason you are losing money is people are turning away. Tell Danno you and him are largely to blame for that.

Of course, you think Journalism should not be bound by any rules but your own. Wrong, you are Entertainment, a commercial enterprise, not PBS.

Ooops, perhaps Bill Moyers might disagree. (snicker)

You are a Dinosaur...get over it.

36 posted on 09/27/2005 6:10:35 AM PDT by add925 (The Left = Xenophobes in Denial)
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To: NordP
Yep, and call this site hard-core, politically angry, and hyperconservative

I resemble that remark.

37 posted on 09/27/2005 6:11:44 AM PDT by dfwgator (Flower Mound, TX)
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To: RatherBiased.com
SWEEEET!

Actually, anybody who followed closely notes that the first suspicions were raised here on FR because of what was visible on TV, the fact that the documents were proportionally spaced and appeared to be in a modern font. I dont even think that was Buckhead, it was someone else. And those idiots dont realize that East coast freepers were watching and posting before it showed on the west coast. Mapes is an idiot..

It actually took a few days for the lengthy rebuttals to be posted on the internet. These morons are playing up a conspiracy, oh, how could they have figured it out SOOO fast, when it took our experts HOURS to be wrong? Bunch of Liars...

38 posted on 09/27/2005 6:11:45 AM PDT by Paradox (Just because we are not perfect, does not mean we are not good.)
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Within a few minutes, I was online visiting Web sites I had never heard of before: Free Republic, Little Green Footballs, Power Line.

Wow, I wonder if we gave Mary the ZOT! and didn't know it. LOL!
39 posted on 09/27/2005 6:13:11 AM PDT by TheForceOfOne (It was a village of idiots that raised Hillary to Senator status.)
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To: RatherBiased.com
There was no analysis of what the documents actually said, no work done to look at the content, no comparison with the official record, no phone calls made to check the facts of the story, nothing beyond a cursory and politically motivated examination of the typeface. That was all they had to attack, but that was enough.

WOW....this is what the talking points were with the democrats after the criticism arose....."Doesn't matter whether they are forgeries, what really matter is whether they are true or not"....

Think about it, a so called news organization admits, that facts be damned,...the end justifies the means....

Truly scary stuff....IMHO
40 posted on 09/27/2005 6:13:42 AM PDT by PigRigger (Send donations to http://www.AdoptAPlatoon.org)
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To: muawiyah
Time zones? We don't need no stinkin' time zones! We use a Rove Time Displacement Vehicle (RTDV) to transport ourselves up to 24 hours into the future. How else can Free Republic come up with such voluminous analysis in such short time unless we get the jump on events before they even happen?
41 posted on 09/27/2005 6:14:04 AM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: muawiyah
many of us here at Free Republic know a lot more about the printing business than is seemly...

The printing business, the military, any subject--it doesn't matter. The collective knowledge/expertise of 100,000+ individuals will dwarf any news bureau or collection of political hacks. Not every poster knows, but someone will have the resources or know where it can be found in order to get to the truth.

Conversely, any misstatements, half-truths or misinformation will be challenged. It's the ultimate in freedom of the press.

42 posted on 09/27/2005 6:14:54 AM PDT by DeFault User
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Original thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1210662/posts

Howlin posts a link to the docs ALREADY ON-LINE at 11:17PM.

Buckhead responds at 11:59PM:

To: Howlin
Howlin, every single one of these memos to file is in a proportionally spaced font, probably Palatino or Times New Roman.

In 1972 people used typewriters for this sort of thing, and typewriters used monospaced fonts.

The use of proportionally spaced fonts did not come into common use for office memos until the introduction of laser printers, word processing software, and personal computers. They were not widespread until the mid to late 90's. Before then, you needed typesetting equipment, and that wasn't used for personal memos to file. Even the Wang systems that were dominant in the mid 80's used monospaced fonts.

I am saying these documents are forgeries, run through a copier for 15 generations to make them look old.

This should be pursued aggressively.

47 posted on 09/08/2004 11:59:43 PM EDT by Buckhead
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Mapes's assertion that the first acusations of forgery occurred before the docs were available for viewing is a lie.

43 posted on 09/27/2005 6:15:22 AM PDT by TheBigB (I will punch the next person who confuses "you're" and "your". Seriously. Don't test me.)
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To: RatherBiased.com; prairiebreeze; onyx; ohioWfan; Texasforever; BigSkyFreeper; Tamzee; ...

Gee ... I get the impression that Mary doesn't like us


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


44 posted on 09/27/2005 6:15:36 AM PDT by Mo1
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To: GWB00

I have this thread by howlin .
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1220090/posts


45 posted on 09/27/2005 6:15:54 AM PDT by OSHA (I've got a hole in my head too, but that's beside the point.)
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To: RatherBiased.com
Within a few minutes, I was online visiting Web sites I had never heard of before: Free Republic, Little Green Footballs, Power Line.

Um, maybe the fact that she'd never even HEARD about FR, LGF, etc. was a big part of her problem.

p.s. I thought I had the original Buckhead link in my profile, but I don't see it there -- hope someone has a link.
46 posted on 09/27/2005 6:16:54 AM PDT by Zechariah_8_13 (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.)
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To: RatherBiased.com
Ms. Mapes -

From time to time, we get DU trolls on FreeRepublic & I am sure that one of them will pass along the following message to you:

1. You lied.

2. You got fired.

3. W. got reelected and is STILL the President of the U.S.A.

4. In closing, ha ha, ha ha ha, ha ha. You can suck it.

I am sure that Air America is hiring or maybe you can get a job from you comrades over at NPR.

47 posted on 09/27/2005 6:17:15 AM PDT by Volunteer (Just so you know, I am ashamed the Dixie Chicks make records in Nashville.)
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To: RatherBiased.com
My dear Mary Mapes...

“All your 'peripheral spacing' are belong to us!”

48 posted on 09/27/2005 6:17:18 AM PDT by johnny7 (“I'm American, honey. Our names don't mean sh_t.”)
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To: RatherBiased.com

Not to worry. Gunga Dan and Mary 'quite contrary' Mapes have redoubled their efforts to find Lucy Ramirez, and they're confident of success. Really! O. J. Simpson has offered to help...


49 posted on 09/27/2005 6:17:40 AM PDT by Clioman
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To: RatherBiased.com
That was all they had to attack, but that was enough.

Yes it was. Thank the Lord. They still don't get it.

50 posted on 09/27/2005 6:18:06 AM PDT by beckysueb (God bless America and President Bush.)
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