Punk the prez? (or is it FR being punked again?)

NY Daily News ^ | February 8, 2004 | Ben Widdicombe and Suzanne Rozdeba

[GOPJ]

Great line:

Remember, grasshoppers, this is Shinola.

[Souled_Out]

"Yeah, I think FR has been hijacked"

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Did it ever cross your mind that some of us have legitimate concerns?

This place has been hijacked alright. I remember when you could show up here and actually have a conversation between people with different points of view.

Now if we do not agree with the opinions of the "If Bush does it, it must be great" crowd we must be stealth DU'rs.

This is a forum for conservative discussion, not a republican pep rally.

So let it fly about how I should be banned or belittled because I don't drink the kool-aid and question anyone who does.

[GladesGuru]

"the same as the DUmocrat DUmpster divers.'

In light of the fact that Blue areas are largely urban, shouldn't that be the DUmocrat Urban Miners and Dumpster Divers"?

[Publius6961]

Well, this is exactly the technique used and perfected by Babara Boxer, which got her elected to Congress.
Fortunately, when she got there, the rest of the country wasn't as ignorant or as stoned as her home constituency, and she fell flat on her face. She has been marginalized ever since.

The best defense to this old and tired form of attack is repeated counterattacks with facts, to counter the emotions and opinions that can be demonstrated to have failed every time for the last 40 years.

[A.Hun]

Thanks, I had not seen those. Considering I knew next to nothing about her, I'm still trying to get a sense of her. I do trust GW, but I did like Janice Rodgers Brown.

This immigration issue is what is really hurting Bush, but I don't see where he is in a position to do much about it.

But if Republicans begin trashing Bush, Bush isn't going to suffer, Republicans will. The old "cut off your nose to spite your face" cliche.

Someone on another post said it will be awhile before we really know. That is very true, maybe years.

[Phsstpok]

Did it ever cross your mind that some of us have legitimate concerns?

I, for one, wholeheartedly agree to anyone's statement of having concerns at this point. I dismiss as useless the position of anyone who has CONCLUSIONS at this point, unless they have personal direct knowledge, and then I want to know their bona fides.

If you are suggesting that I, who started this thread, am saying "If Bush does it, it must be great" then you're very mistaken and I want more info on who, exactly, someone is who makes such a claim. There are some people I'd accept that from (even if I disagreed with them). Are you one of them? Ann, is that you? Michelle? Hugh? JimRob? Nope, didn't think so.

I'm saying very explicitely that there's not enough information and we need to wait to make up our minds and not be stampeded by some very obvious Trolls.

Do you disagree with any of those statements?

I really am open to discussing the issues. I'm not open to trading invective. Please. Discuss.

[Phsstpok]

I do trust GW, but I did like Janice Rodgers Brown.

Exactly where I am, but I was kinda pulling for Miguel Estrada, as well. From what I've seen Estrada is as articulate as Roberts and has the resume to please any conservative. And his personal tragedy during the grotesque Democrat fillibuster would have been an "in your face" moment that the dims couldn't walk away from, given the coverage a SCOTUS debate will have.

It's kind of like my hopes when daddy Bush said "watch this space" when talking about his VP choice at his 88 convention. My dream was Jean Kirkpatrick. I would have dearly loved to watch NOW implode over that one!

I want to hear the nominee. Not Bill Kristol or Pat Buchannen or even folks I like. I want to here her. I think I'll be able to make up my mind then. I did with Roberts and I'm VERY happy with him at this point.

Maybe GW has inside info that Ginzburg or Stevens is not long for the bench and he has more nominations to go? We can always hope.

Remember Bunker Hill. Don't shoot until you see the whites of their eyes.

[jennyjenny]

They may not all be FReeper, but to expect people to bow down and glorify Miers because Bush Says so is asinine.

Suggesting people take a deep breath and learn more about her is asking people to "bow down and glorify Miers"?

[TheForceOfOne]

I've noticed that too. A good way to measure the Troll level is to take notice of FR polls where the absolutely Liberal answer usually draws between 5% and 8% of those who take the poll.

Since these are anonymous polls they can't resist taking them. We all know how Liberals from the DUmpster and moveon.org love to manipulate polls. It's like cheese in a rat trap, they can't resist.

Some of these Trolls detest us so much they are willing to lay low as a sleeper Troll until the time is right to create havoc on a thread without drawing overwhelming attention.

[A.Hun]

I think that by the end of the confirmation process, we will see the Dems filibuster, and the Repubs invoke the nuclear option anyway.

There is no way Dems can not oppose her. Especially if she indeed is "born again". With no paper trail, they only have bigotry and smear tactics to fight her with.

I really believe the majority of Americans are sick of Christian bashing, and this fight will be a real eye opener. I hope that she is well spoken. As White House counsel, I have no concerns that she is less than well qualified.

I do believe that at least one more Justice will retire or die. GW is going to leave his mark on this court for years to come.

[fatima]

Do we have a count of Zots for today?

[ottersnot]

Bush is playing chess, everyone else is playing checkers."

looks like a chute's and ladders board to me.

come on. enough of this. No one can read his mind.

All we can do is carefully consider what we know and don't know. Doesn't make anyone 'knee jerk' to consider the truth and consequence's

[RasterMaster]

LOL!

[Deb]

I'd expect anyone who says "Baby Bush" and "daddy Bush" to be "disgusted". No one here cares what you think.

[fatima]

Some judges were trust me.

[Indy Pendance]

Welcome aboard newbie.

[BonnieJ]

The cover story for the Globe tabloid this week claims Pres. Bush is drinking and arguing with Laura and their marriage is in jeopardy. That false story has been circulating a while of course but now it has been featured in 2 recent tabloids. Disgusting.

[Future Snake Eater]

[rwh]

Suggesting people take a deep breath and learn more about her is asking people to "bow down and glorify Miers"?

No it's not.

There may be an overreaction to the Miers nomination. I, myself, have probably overreacted a bit. It is my sincere desire that Miers is a strict constructionist. I want nothing more. I'm sure the same goes for you.This nomination is very important as to the course that the country will go over at least the next 30 years.

A valid concern for me, as well as other posters today, is that we don't know where she stands, and we are probably not going to know where she stands until long after she is on the Supreme Court. At that point it will be to late to do anything. It is hard to just trust Bush. It was/is hard to trust Bush on Roberts. I watched every second of Roberts confirmation hearing. He gave some excellent answers. Robert's is a very knowledgeable Chief Justice. That said, I still don't know where he stands on a lot of issues. Now we have to go through the same thing with Miers.

I like Bush. He is a hell of a president. He was the first president I was able to vote for, and I've voted for him twice. I wish Bush would have nominated a known entity. He didn't. I hope we don't live to regret that decision.

[softwarecreator]

Actually, you're right.  There have been a lot of postings exactly in that vein today.  Weird how these "die hard" Bush supporters are now running for cover and pretty much acting like the republican party is doomed to go the way of the dinosaur over this.