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Bush Wants Right To Use Military If Bird Flu Hits
Reuters ^ | 10/4/05

Posted on 10/04/2005 12:02:27 PM PDT by areafiftyone

WASHINGTON, Oct 4 (Reuters) - President George W. Bush asked Congress on Tuesday to consider giving him powers to use the military to enforce quarantines in case of an avian influenza epidemic.

He said the military, and perhaps the National Guard, might be needed to take such a role if the feared H5N1 bird flu virus changes enough to cause widespread human infection.

"If we had an outbreak somewhere in the United States, do we not then quarantine that part of the country? And how do you, then, enforce a quarantine?" Bush asked at a news conference.

"It's one thing to shut down airplanes. It's another thing to prevent people from coming in to get exposed to the avian flu. And who best to be able to effect a quarantine?" Bush added.

"One option is the use of a military that's able to plan and move. So that's why I put it on the table. I think it's an important debate for Congress to have."

Bird flu has killed more than 60 people in four Asian nations since late 2003 and has been found in birds in Russia and Europe.

Experts fear that the H5N1 bird flu virus, which appears to be highly fatal when it infects people, will develop the ability to pass easily from person to person and would cause a pandemic that would kill millions.

"And I think the president ought to have all ... assets on the table to be able to deal with something this significant," Bush said.

He noted that some governors may object to the federal government commandeering the National Guard, which is under state command in most circumstances.

POLICE DUTIES BANNED

"But Congress needs to take a look at circumstances that may need to vest the capacity of the president to move beyond that debate. And one such catastrophe or one such challenge could be an avian flu outbreak," Bush said.

The active duty military is currently forbidden from undertaking law enforcement duties by the federal Posse Comitatus Act.

That law, passed in 1878 after the U.S. Civil War, does not prohibit National Guard troops under state control from doing police work. But, unless the law is changed, it would keep them from doing so if they were activated by Washington under federal control.

While the law allows the president to order the military to take control and do police work in an extreme emergency, the White House has been traditionally reluctant to usurp state powers.

Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman told reporters he was not aware of any current planning by the military to help respond to a flu pandemic.

But he noted that after Hurricanes Katrina and Rita devastated the Gulf region, Bush had asked Congress to consider giving the military control over initial response in dealing with major natural or other domestic disasters.

"Obviously the (Defense) Department has a tremendous amount of capability in a lot of areas. And we are a large force," Whitman said, noting also that the military had deployed field hospitals to Louisiana after the hurricanes.

Health experts are working to develop vaccines that would protect against the H5N1 strain of flu, because current influenza vaccines will not.

And countries are also developing stockpiles of drugs that can reduce the risk of serious disease or even sometimes prevent infection -- but supplies and manufacturing capacity are both limited.

Bush said he was involved in planning for an influenza pandemic, which experts say will definitely come, although they cannot predict when, or whether it will be H5N1 or some other virus. (Additional reporting by Maggie Fox)


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To: areafiftyone
If that flu ever did take hold here, or any deadly super contagious disease the first thing that needs to be done is shut down the airlines. Immediately.
261 posted on 10/04/2005 7:28:34 PM PDT by Black Tooth (The more people I meet, the more I like my dog.)
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To: dalereed
Good for you that you wouldn't need medicine. Or food to eat or water to drink.

What about an entire family that has every member down sick...just let them die because they can't fend for themselves? You're not think about this in a massive sense. You're looking at it where only one or two people are sick. Think hundreds of thousands...at the same time.

262 posted on 10/04/2005 7:30:06 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: A.Hun
This flu is killing as much as 55% of the people contracting it. It is now spreading person to person. Migratory birds have spread it nearly world wide. It could leave millions dead in its wake.

Do you have sources for ANY of this? I have yet to read anything about it going person to person. I've also read that one of the things that HASNT happened is migratory birds carrying it to other continents.

263 posted on 10/04/2005 7:30:41 PM PDT by SwankyC (1st Bn 11th Marines Semper Fi)
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To: azhenfud
30 people died out of 1.6 billion over a two year span and he wants Congressional pre-approval to use the military to restrict the rights of Americans to freely move? Bullfarts.

Well actually, there are already pre-approved plans in the Pentagon that deal with all sorts of nation-wide "issues" within the borders of the country. One of them is insurrection, another is an accidental release from a NIH Class IV facility (easily amendable to include a pandemic), accidental release of a SNP physics package, etc, etc, etc. They even have code-word release authority. All it takes is a phone call from NCA and your "right to move freely" vanishes....period. And the political chips will fall where they may after the incident is over.

264 posted on 10/04/2005 7:32:09 PM PDT by seadevil (...because you're a blithering idiot, that's why. Next question?)
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To: PAR35; Stellar Dendrite
Is it just me, or is our President looking for more and more situations in which the Commander-in-Chief should be allowed to use American military forces on our own soil?

No he isn't. For example, he wouldn't consider using them to actually secure the southern border.

OOOOOH! That's gonna leave a mark!

Nicely put! If theres ANY place we are vulnerable, it's with the unchecked masses that ILLEGALLY Infiltrate our Southern Border!

How many have already crossed and are infected...all for the sake of cheap lettuce and clean toilets? How many more may cross, and overwhelm all the border States' healthcare systems?

265 posted on 10/04/2005 7:37:47 PM PDT by Itzlzha ("The avalanche has already started...it is too late for the pebbles to vote")
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To: SwankyC

You haven't read the thread, right?


266 posted on 10/04/2005 7:49:25 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: Itzlzha

We are most vulnerable on the north, right now, as a matter of fact, with regard to Avian flu.

There is currently an outbreak of a "mystery illness" in Toronto, which has an enormous asian population. No one knows what it is. Supposedly, it is negative for SARS and Avian flu, although both those illnesses are well known for false negatives if samples are collected too early, at the wrong body location, etc.


267 posted on 10/04/2005 7:53:36 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: SwankyC

See post #214. There are some very extensive threads already on this subject. Search for avian flu. Ex-Texan and Judith Ann are excellent on this subject.

Recombinomics http://www.recombinomics.com/in_the_news.html is an excellent portal sight for the latest updates. You can find the figures for the fatality rate there. In a pandemic, from what I have read, the fatality rate would not remain that high.

From what I have seen, there is proof of transmission of the bird flu by migrating birds at least into Russia, and possibly into northern Europe.


268 posted on 10/04/2005 7:59:56 PM PDT by A.Hun (The supreme irony of life is that no one gets out of it alive. R. Heinlein)
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To: Walkingfeather

I have a relative who works at the CDC surveillance center,,she has been talking of this for months, says the CDC is in a high alert mode, they think it is coming, this year, to a town near all of us. She is no alarmist but has said if cases happen here, hole up with months of food and don't leave home. Apparently air travel will stop as soon as cases start, schools will be closed and hell will follow. They don't know yet how the virus will act in large populations and hope the death rate won't be what they are seeing in those who contracted it from birds. It is a matter of time.

This is no joke, no small thing. And parenthetically my grandfather died in the 1918 flu, he was well in the morning and dead that night. My father was 14 and spent months riding his horse around rural Louisiana burying the dead and tending to the sick. He was 14.


269 posted on 10/04/2005 8:01:16 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: A.Hun

The bird flu is not known to go from person to person ,,yet.


270 posted on 10/04/2005 8:02:07 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: areafiftyone

No vaccine for this strain as it has not lept to people from birds yet.

The amount of disinformation on this thread is astounding.


271 posted on 10/04/2005 8:03:39 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: cajungirl

I don't think some people are taking what could be...serious enough. Maybe they can't grasp how deadly a situtation we could find ourselves in.


272 posted on 10/04/2005 8:04:14 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: From many - one.

THe latest word on Tamiflu which worked initally on Bird flue is that it no longer works, there has been resistance developing. Symmetrel worked initially but is not wrking now.

Tamiflu was the last drug to work and now it is looking weak.


273 posted on 10/04/2005 8:05:59 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: cajungirl

There are limited cases of person to person transmission, there's a link to the New England Journal of Medicine article earlier on this thread.

I posted a link to the CDC information and a couple of paragraphs.

Some don't think this constitutes "proof" of h2h transmission, but it is certainly strongly suggestive of a beginning of h2h in a limited way.


274 posted on 10/04/2005 8:06:37 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: wyattearp
Ask me about it when they die of totally obscure cancers or massive lung problems. They all die, and they all die badly. With current drugs, their deaths by AIDS can be prolonged. Wait and see, mister "prove it". It takes time.

Gosh, you sound so impatient. It must be so much fun for you when people die terrible prolonged deaths. But the waiting must be frustrating for you.

Seek help.

275 posted on 10/04/2005 8:06:41 PM PDT by Protagoras (Vote for freedom, not political parties)
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To: cajungirl

What disinformation?


276 posted on 10/04/2005 8:07:34 PM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: Artemis Webb; billbears

If it gets that bad, why stop with a measly quarantine? Why not go all out and firebomb all affected areas? I mean, you're either with us or you're with the virus. We need to fight the virus in those affected areas so we don't have to fight it here.


277 posted on 10/04/2005 8:08:05 PM PDT by sheltonmac (QUIS CUSTODIET IPSOS CUSTODES)
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To: auntyfemenist

The drug Co is working 24 hours a day making as much as possible. Govt's are buying it up. There is still not enought and it is probably moot anyway.


278 posted on 10/04/2005 8:09:01 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: cajungirl

Tamiflu is being used at double the dose, in some cases, I have read.

In some cases, Tamiflu and Amantadine (which target different areas and functions of the H5N1 virus) are being used together. This may or may not help overcome some of the developing resistance.


279 posted on 10/04/2005 8:10:11 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: areafiftyone

The vaccine is a guess estimate of what might work. They don't know if it will. The virus hasn't spread to people yet.


280 posted on 10/04/2005 8:11:37 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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