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Bush Wants Right To Use Military If Bird Flu Hits
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| 10/4/05
Posted on 10/04/2005 12:02:27 PM PDT by areafiftyone
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To: vrwc0915
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posted on
10/04/2005 12:55:53 PM PDT
by
AMERIKA
To: areafiftyone
What's the mortality rate of the bird flu? Is it as high as the mortality rate of AIDS?
82
posted on
10/04/2005 12:56:47 PM PDT
by
AD from SpringBay
(We have the government we allow and deserve.)
To: NJ_gent
Is it just me, or is our President looking for more and more situations in which the Commander-in-Chief should be allowed to use American military forces on our own soil?
Either he wants more power for the C-in-C (which scares me) - and using the military in such situations that were described would be increasing the power of the C-in-C, or as glorgau said "If you all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail".
Hard to say either way.
To: AD from SpringBay
84
posted on
10/04/2005 12:58:55 PM PDT
by
areafiftyone
(Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
To: areafiftyone
Well----for something this serious---he certainly can't depend on SOME STATES!! If bird flu as found in Lousianna we'd all die!!!
85
posted on
10/04/2005 1:00:27 PM PDT
by
Fawn
(Try Not----Do or Do not ~~ Yoda)
To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Boo... I thought this would take care of the oldies that want the youngies to pay for the rest of their lives. I am mad at the oldies expecting(and voting) for us(younger) people to pay for their retirement without giving us the right to choose not to pass our retirement on to our children. So much for "the GREATest" generation. I only have one left in my family and she get supported by my father and his siblings. She also supports herself via gardening.
It just makes me sick that people can get so one sided on an issue and not look long term in a patriot fashon.
86
posted on
10/04/2005 1:00:33 PM PDT
by
BookaT
(My cat's breath smells like cat food!)
To: rattrap
Someone needs to tell Big Government George that when he swore an oath to defend the Constitution from all enemies both foreign and domestic that included himself. He didn't. You need to go back and look at the transcripts of either or both of his inaugeral oaths. He swore to uphold the laws -- big difference.
87
posted on
10/04/2005 1:00:53 PM PDT
by
meadsjn
To: Artemis Webb
If your kids or wife is dying..along with half a million other Americans in the next pandemic I am "just wondering" what your thoughts will be then.
Any kind of pandemic that would kill half a million Americans is going to hit the military pretty hard as well, don't kid yourself.
My feelings are, I wouldn't feel comfortable with a Democrat President having the kind of power that the Posse Comitatus Act forbids, and so I shouldn't feel comfortable with a Republican President having that power either.
To: PissAndVinegar
Ridiculous.... " Bird flu has killed more than 60 people in four Asian nations since late 2003 and has been found in birds in Russia and Europe." Let's get some perspective: How many have died from the 'plain old' flu in this time period? From Drunk drivers? From food poisoning? From an infection after stubbing their toe? Can we mobilize the military against the citizens if there are mass toe stubbings? Yes, lets get some perspective.......
Extrapolating the 1918 numbers for a pandemic of this kind, we can safely say that there would be 1.7 million dead from this bug in the U.S. alone.......
I don't call that ridiculous....I call it a potential and more and more likely occurrence every year that passes and idiots continue treating chickens with antibiotics that may well make the bug immune to every tool we have.
It's just a matter of time, as we wait for the hammer to come down.
So I think a bit of prior planning is in order and discussions are necessary so that the big surprise does not catch us with our pants in the dryer.
89
posted on
10/04/2005 1:02:19 PM PDT
by
Cold Heat
(This is not sarcasm)
To: Lazamataz
Personally if there is such a wide spread flu that could kill tens of millions I hope we are not debating Const nicites during it. I love the Constituion but it doesn't add up to a hill of beans if me or tens of millions of Americans beause of the Possie Comatatus laws.
To: From many - one.
Tamiflu, by Roche in Switzerland. The president knows that and stated a few days ago that there barely enough doses to cover the government and military.
I hear him urgently requesting a possible military enforcement but I don't hear him, or anyone else, urgently pressing for more R&D or production of the drug. Odd.
91
posted on
10/04/2005 1:03:51 PM PDT
by
auntyfemenist
(Show me your papers...)
To: A.Hun
It is now spreading person to person.Source please.
92
posted on
10/04/2005 1:03:55 PM PDT
by
Protagoras
(Vote for freedom, not political parties)
To: EnquiringMind
Lifetimes are made up of events - one by one.
Some witness greater events than others.
If the President called for martial law or for military interventions to extent farther than the affected areas, then I'd have a serious problem with him and the US Fedgov.
You may agree to forfeit your freedom from fear of an event that "may" happen, but I prefer not to. You may agree to vest powers that ought not be in one person you trust holding that office NOW, but those powers don't follow that person when they leave that position.
The NEXT person might not be so suitable to your liking.
93
posted on
10/04/2005 1:04:41 PM PDT
by
azhenfud
(He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
To: areafiftyone
When's the last time our President argued forcefully for freedom, liberty and diminished government tyranny right here in our own country, instead of (for instance) Iraq?
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posted on
10/04/2005 1:04:46 PM PDT
by
Hank Rearden
(Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
To: BlueBlood
I agree.
But personal precautions like:
Wash your hands, prepare your food properly, don't put your fingers in your mouth, minimize exposure to the sick, etc...
What is the military going to do - force mass bathing?
Block every back road?
Put up a huge dome around the quarantine to ensure no citizens, birds/wildlife or bugs get out? (there are multi-species vectors, now a days)
Why, after WW1 when all those people died, didn't the president then decide it would be necessary to sic the military on the citizens?
Because it's not their roll!!! They have guns, bombs and tanks....not vaccines, quarantine plans, (extensive) training on handling mass infections.
If you really want some communistic organization to 'quarantine' the citizens, then maybe FEMA and/or the CDC would be the right group(s) because that is what they are trained in (their problems aside).
People think we need the military because of the total breakdown in civility and society which happen in NO during Katrina. The US is NOT New Orleans - the US Populace is not of the same (low) caliber as most of the 'Nawleeners' are
To: Artemis Webb
You omitted the Swine Flu of '76.
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posted on
10/04/2005 1:08:05 PM PDT
by
elbucko
To: areafiftyone
There is no vaccine for the Avian flu. It is still mutating/recombining so it's not possible to make a vaccine for it yet.
If anyone wants to read about it, read here - with info and commentary by some very knowldegeable and educated freepers and articles from all over:
Avian Flu Surveillance Project ^
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1399613/posts
97
posted on
10/04/2005 1:08:17 PM PDT
by
little jeremiah
(A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
To: PAR35
For example, he wouldn't consider using them to actually secure the southern border.Ouch. The truth hurts.
To: PissAndVinegar
OK...lets take this slow and easy so you will understand. We are not talking about the bird flu as you know it right now. In fact nobody even knows if the bird flu is going to be the source for the next pandemic..although that is looking like a very strong possibility.
Flu strains mutate.
Hurricane Katrina did not start out as a category 5 hurricane...it started as a warm summer breeze.
99
posted on
10/04/2005 1:10:22 PM PDT
by
Artemis Webb
(GO CARDINALS !!)
To: From many - one.
Tamiflu has been considered the drug of choice, but apparently is now considered not effective against the Avian flu.
100
posted on
10/04/2005 1:10:36 PM PDT
by
little jeremiah
(A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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