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Bush Wants Right To Use Military If Bird Flu Hits
Reuters ^ | 10/4/05

Posted on 10/04/2005 12:02:27 PM PDT by areafiftyone

WASHINGTON, Oct 4 (Reuters) - President George W. Bush asked Congress on Tuesday to consider giving him powers to use the military to enforce quarantines in case of an avian influenza epidemic.

He said the military, and perhaps the National Guard, might be needed to take such a role if the feared H5N1 bird flu virus changes enough to cause widespread human infection.

"If we had an outbreak somewhere in the United States, do we not then quarantine that part of the country? And how do you, then, enforce a quarantine?" Bush asked at a news conference.

"It's one thing to shut down airplanes. It's another thing to prevent people from coming in to get exposed to the avian flu. And who best to be able to effect a quarantine?" Bush added.

"One option is the use of a military that's able to plan and move. So that's why I put it on the table. I think it's an important debate for Congress to have."

Bird flu has killed more than 60 people in four Asian nations since late 2003 and has been found in birds in Russia and Europe.

Experts fear that the H5N1 bird flu virus, which appears to be highly fatal when it infects people, will develop the ability to pass easily from person to person and would cause a pandemic that would kill millions.

"And I think the president ought to have all ... assets on the table to be able to deal with something this significant," Bush said.

He noted that some governors may object to the federal government commandeering the National Guard, which is under state command in most circumstances.

POLICE DUTIES BANNED

"But Congress needs to take a look at circumstances that may need to vest the capacity of the president to move beyond that debate. And one such catastrophe or one such challenge could be an avian flu outbreak," Bush said.

The active duty military is currently forbidden from undertaking law enforcement duties by the federal Posse Comitatus Act.

That law, passed in 1878 after the U.S. Civil War, does not prohibit National Guard troops under state control from doing police work. But, unless the law is changed, it would keep them from doing so if they were activated by Washington under federal control.

While the law allows the president to order the military to take control and do police work in an extreme emergency, the White House has been traditionally reluctant to usurp state powers.

Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman told reporters he was not aware of any current planning by the military to help respond to a flu pandemic.

But he noted that after Hurricanes Katrina and Rita devastated the Gulf region, Bush had asked Congress to consider giving the military control over initial response in dealing with major natural or other domestic disasters.

"Obviously the (Defense) Department has a tremendous amount of capability in a lot of areas. And we are a large force," Whitman said, noting also that the military had deployed field hospitals to Louisiana after the hurricanes.

Health experts are working to develop vaccines that would protect against the H5N1 strain of flu, because current influenza vaccines will not.

And countries are also developing stockpiles of drugs that can reduce the risk of serious disease or even sometimes prevent infection -- but supplies and manufacturing capacity are both limited.

Bush said he was involved in planning for an influenza pandemic, which experts say will definitely come, although they cannot predict when, or whether it will be H5N1 or some other virus. (Additional reporting by Maggie Fox)


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To: vrwc0915

Here is the one I was looking for.

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/eo/femalist.htm


81 posted on 10/04/2005 12:55:53 PM PDT by AMERIKA
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To: areafiftyone

What's the mortality rate of the bird flu? Is it as high as the mortality rate of AIDS?


82 posted on 10/04/2005 12:56:47 PM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: NJ_gent
Is it just me, or is our President looking for more and more situations in which the Commander-in-Chief should be allowed to use American military forces on our own soil?

Either he wants more power for the C-in-C (which scares me) - and using the military in such situations that were described would be increasing the power of the C-in-C, or as glorgau said "If you all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail".

Hard to say either way.
83 posted on 10/04/2005 12:58:23 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: AD from SpringBay

75% mortality rate!


84 posted on 10/04/2005 12:58:55 PM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
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To: areafiftyone

Well----for something this serious---he certainly can't depend on SOME STATES!! If bird flu as found in Lousianna we'd all die!!!


85 posted on 10/04/2005 1:00:27 PM PDT by Fawn (Try Not----Do or Do not ~~ Yoda)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Boo... I thought this would take care of the oldies that want the youngies to pay for the rest of their lives. I am mad at the oldies expecting(and voting) for us(younger) people to pay for their retirement without giving us the right to choose not to pass our retirement on to our children. So much for "the GREATest" generation. I only have one left in my family and she get supported by my father and his siblings. She also supports herself via gardening.

It just makes me sick that people can get so one sided on an issue and not look long term in a patriot fashon.


86 posted on 10/04/2005 1:00:33 PM PDT by BookaT (My cat's breath smells like cat food!)
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To: rattrap
Someone needs to tell Big Government George that when he swore an oath to defend the Constitution from all enemies both foreign and domestic that included himself.

He didn't. You need to go back and look at the transcripts of either or both of his inaugeral oaths. He swore to uphold the laws -- big difference.

87 posted on 10/04/2005 1:00:53 PM PDT by meadsjn
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To: Artemis Webb
If your kids or wife is dying..along with half a million other Americans in the next pandemic I am "just wondering" what your thoughts will be then.

Any kind of pandemic that would kill half a million Americans is going to hit the military pretty hard as well, don't kid yourself.

My feelings are, I wouldn't feel comfortable with a Democrat President having the kind of power that the Posse Comitatus Act forbids, and so I shouldn't feel comfortable with a Republican President having that power either.
88 posted on 10/04/2005 1:01:11 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: PissAndVinegar
Ridiculous.... " Bird flu has killed more than 60 people in four Asian nations since late 2003 and has been found in birds in Russia and Europe." Let's get some perspective: How many have died from the 'plain old' flu in this time period? From Drunk drivers? From food poisoning? From an infection after stubbing their toe? Can we mobilize the military against the citizens if there are mass toe stubbings?

Yes, lets get some perspective.......

Extrapolating the 1918 numbers for a pandemic of this kind, we can safely say that there would be 1.7 million dead from this bug in the U.S. alone.......

I don't call that ridiculous....I call it a potential and more and more likely occurrence every year that passes and idiots continue treating chickens with antibiotics that may well make the bug immune to every tool we have.

It's just a matter of time, as we wait for the hammer to come down.

So I think a bit of prior planning is in order and discussions are necessary so that the big surprise does not catch us with our pants in the dryer.

89 posted on 10/04/2005 1:02:19 PM PDT by Cold Heat (This is not sarcasm)
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To: Lazamataz

Personally if there is such a wide spread flu that could kill tens of millions I hope we are not debating Const nicites during it. I love the Constituion but it doesn't add up to a hill of beans if me or tens of millions of Americans beause of the Possie Comatatus laws.


90 posted on 10/04/2005 1:02:32 PM PDT by bayourant
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To: From many - one.
Tamiflu, by Roche in Switzerland. The president knows that and stated a few days ago that there barely enough doses to cover the government and military.

I hear him urgently requesting a possible military enforcement but I don't hear him, or anyone else, urgently pressing for more R&D or production of the drug. Odd.
91 posted on 10/04/2005 1:03:51 PM PDT by auntyfemenist (Show me your papers...)
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To: A.Hun
It is now spreading person to person.

Source please.

92 posted on 10/04/2005 1:03:55 PM PDT by Protagoras (Vote for freedom, not political parties)
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To: EnquiringMind

Lifetimes are made up of events - one by one.

Some witness greater events than others.

If the President called for martial law or for military interventions to extent farther than the affected areas, then I'd have a serious problem with him and the US Fedgov.

You may agree to forfeit your freedom from fear of an event that "may" happen, but I prefer not to. You may agree to vest powers that ought not be in one person you trust holding that office NOW, but those powers don't follow that person when they leave that position.

The NEXT person might not be so suitable to your liking.


93 posted on 10/04/2005 1:04:41 PM PDT by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: areafiftyone

When's the last time our President argued forcefully for freedom, liberty and diminished government tyranny right here in our own country, instead of (for instance) Iraq?


94 posted on 10/04/2005 1:04:46 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Never allow anyone who could only get a government job attempt to tell you how to run your life.)
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To: BlueBlood
I agree.

But personal precautions like:

Wash your hands, prepare your food properly, don't put your fingers in your mouth, minimize exposure to the sick, etc...

What is the military going to do - force mass bathing?
Block every back road?
Put up a huge dome around the quarantine to ensure no citizens, birds/wildlife or bugs get out? (there are multi-species vectors, now a days)

Why, after WW1 when all those people died, didn't the president then decide it would be necessary to sic the military on the citizens?
Because it's not their roll!!! They have guns, bombs and tanks....not vaccines, quarantine plans, (extensive) training on handling mass infections.

If you really want some communistic organization to 'quarantine' the citizens, then maybe FEMA and/or the CDC would be the right group(s) because that is what they are trained in (their problems aside).

People think we need the military because of the total breakdown in civility and society which happen in NO during Katrina. The US is NOT New Orleans - the US Populace is not of the same (low) caliber as most of the 'Nawleeners' are
95 posted on 10/04/2005 1:04:47 PM PDT by PissAndVinegar
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To: Artemis Webb

You omitted the Swine Flu of '76.


96 posted on 10/04/2005 1:08:05 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: areafiftyone

There is no vaccine for the Avian flu. It is still mutating/recombining so it's not possible to make a vaccine for it yet.

If anyone wants to read about it, read here - with info and commentary by some very knowldegeable and educated freepers and articles from all over:

Avian Flu Surveillance Project ^

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1399613/posts


97 posted on 10/04/2005 1:08:17 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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To: PAR35
For example, he wouldn't consider using them to actually secure the southern border.

Ouch. The truth hurts.

98 posted on 10/04/2005 1:09:00 PM PDT by teawithmisswilliams (Question Diversity)
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To: PissAndVinegar
OK...lets take this slow and easy so you will understand. We are not talking about the bird flu as you know it right now. In fact nobody even knows if the bird flu is going to be the source for the next pandemic..although that is looking like a very strong possibility.

Flu strains mutate.

Hurricane Katrina did not start out as a category 5 hurricane...it started as a warm summer breeze.

99 posted on 10/04/2005 1:10:22 PM PDT by Artemis Webb (GO CARDINALS !!)
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To: From many - one.

Tamiflu has been considered the drug of choice, but apparently is now considered not effective against the Avian flu.


100 posted on 10/04/2005 1:10:36 PM PDT by little jeremiah (A vitiated state of morals, a corrupted public conscience, are incompatible with freedom. P. Henry)
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