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Dover, PA Evolution Trial [daily thread for 07 Oct]
York Daily Record ^ | 07 October 2005 | Staff

Posted on 10/07/2005 7:23:15 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

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To: js1138
The statement, "Because the genetic evidence tells us that creatures are very distinct within the allowable adaptability ..." is the opposite of the truth.

The evidence that we have gathered, beginning with Darwin, reveals that distinct genetic creatures have genetic expressions that allow for environmental adaptation. These adaptations are not a result of genetic editing by RMNS.

The Finch beaks that Darwin posited were a expression of natural selection altering the creature, has been found to be an adaptation within the creatures that was already part of their DNA. This is why when the environment returned to small beak conditions, the birds reverted back to small beaks.

What we are seeing in creatures is precoded genetic adaptation. Take callouses. People only express callouses when the epidermis is stressed. Once that area is no longer stressed, the callous subsides.

These gene expressions account for the variety of animals within a kind. Chihuahua to Great Dane. Breeding forces the expression of genes to maintain itself (similar to continue to stress the epidermis which results in thicker skin in the next generation [skin color is similar]). When Breeding is no longer put to practice an equilibrium creature results.

Again, these expressions are already hard coded into the creatures.

The mutations we see that are passed down through reproduction are edits to the genes that are damaging. These damages result in mutants that eventually get diluted within the pool. They do not result in a branching into another creature. The damage to the gene causes these organisms to have diseases and problems not found in the original pool.

Consider the knowledge we have about genetic defects. Heart disease, cancers, MS, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, Sickle cell, Lupus, Lou Gehrig's..... These mutations are evidence of destruction of the original code, ie. devolution.

451 posted on 10/13/2005 10:58:15 AM PDT by bondserv (God governs our universe and has seen fit to offer us a pardon. )
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To: bondserv


Most fatal mutations are fatal before conception or before birth.

Branching to a new species is unlikely or impossible in a large population that is continuously interbreeding. Speciation requires an isolating mechanism.


452 posted on 10/13/2005 11:10:54 AM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: js1138
Most fatal mutations are fatal before conception or before birth.

Branching to a new species is unlikely or impossible in a large population that is continuously interbreeding. Speciation requires an isolating mechanism.

A mutation may not be fatal until the system that is regulated by the code is highly stressed. Auto-Immune genetic defects work that way. There is not enough time, even if the mutating edits happen to let the creature function. It has been demonstrated by scientific research that Darwin's Finches were not mutations outside of their original code, which means that environmental pressures do not create new code, rather they reach to existing code to see if the population can survive. If there is no code to help the population to adapt enough, they go extinct.

We see this every year as more and more creatures devolve to the point where they are not as versatile as they once were, and go extinct.

Breeding has shown us that reproduction does not create new code. It isolates certain expressions. The isolation always does the same thing until the "blue blooded" little critters grow huge noses and ears, then die from weak cell structure (defective DNA). Unless they breed back into the less mutated population in time.

Bottom line, science show us devolution on a massive scale, within mankind's genetic code, as well as the animal kingdom. If bacteria could evolve via Darwinian Evolution, there would be no more life on earth. The limits were coded in intentionally by a sovereign Creator.

453 posted on 10/13/2005 2:34:48 PM PDT by bondserv (God governs our universe and has seen fit to offer us a pardon. )
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To: bondserv

Peddle your fantasies somewhere else. You aren't worth responding to.


454 posted on 10/13/2005 2:39:58 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: bondserv
Let me explain why I won't be responding in detail. First, you are making a large number of claims that can actually be tested. Second, your claims contradict 200 years of accumulated knowledge. Third, if your claims had any merit they would be jumped on by people who have aspirations of scientific credibility, like Behe, Dembski, Denton and others in the ID movement.

If people who are trained in science and motivated to see evidence such as you present can't see it, then you are a disposable loony tune.

Down the chute with you.

455 posted on 10/13/2005 2:50:42 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: js1138
Let me explain why I won't be responding in detail. First, you are making a large number of claims that can actually be tested. Second, your claims contradict 200 years of accumulated knowledge. Third, if your claims had any merit they would be jumped on by people who have aspirations of scientific credibility, like Behe, Dembski, Denton and others in the ID movement.

If they had the scientific research that proved their position, they wouldn't have to come though the side door.

Some day we will have the few billion dollars to convincingly prove these things through scientific experimentation. Until then common sense is our only proof.

456 posted on 10/13/2005 4:36:18 PM PDT by bondserv (God governs our universe and has seen fit to offer us a pardon. )
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