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1 posted on 10/10/2005 4:55:15 AM PDT by StoneGiant
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Either we must reclaim the Republican Party as the party of small government or we must abandon it...
2 posted on 10/10/2005 5:02:13 AM PDT by WhiteGuy (Vote for gridlock)
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Bush abandoned small government the day he took office.


5 posted on 10/10/2005 5:15:17 AM PDT by cynicom
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I just want to go back to the way it was BB, before Bush.
Have we changed, has the party changed, or has President Bush changed it all?


9 posted on 10/10/2005 5:24:02 AM PDT by stopem
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You know you are in trouble when the only way you can force yourself to accept someone or something is by convincing yourself that it better than the alternative. We're in big trouble. Anytime someone posts a reply that questions President Bush the immediate response is to receive multiple messages pointing out how much better he is than Gore or Kerry would have been. I have come to learn that that is the nature of life and politics. But damn it, for once I would like to have someone in the office whom I support because of their beliefs and the stands they take, not because they're better than the alternative. Sad thing is, I think Dubya could be that person, but so far I'm seeing way too much compromise for my liking.


11 posted on 10/10/2005 5:39:45 AM PDT by jwpjr
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Is the answer based on the social questions of the day? Is it abortion? Affirmative action? Gay marriage? Or is the answer more about American nationalism? Is it always conservative to be hawkish? Or pro-capitalist? What about the original definition of "conservative" as one who looks backward and prefers the status quo to change? Or the old American version of limited government, limited spending, no foreign entanglements and individual responsibility? Most importantly, do any of those possible definitions describe the Grand Old Party as we know it?

Occasionally, I'll mention that I have a position that does not dovetail nicely with the more "Christian-Right" elements that reside within our big tent, and while I love and respect them, I don't always agree with them. I am immediately and vociferously labeled a "RINO" in a way that allows you to almost see the venom dripping from the word as you read it.

So I've been ruminating over the last few months as to whether or not I am actually a RINO. But as I read the above quoted paragraph, I realize that my original instincts were right - I am not a RINO.

When was a litmus test attached to calling oneself a Republican, anyway? Who defined this test? And why are there only 2 or 3 "key" issues that determine it's outcome?

I believe in small government and low taxes. I believe in the right to bear arms. I believe in state's rights. I believe Roe is a hideous example of rule by judicial fiat, and that the question should be thrown back to the individual states legislatures - where elected officials will create laws based on the will of the people that they govern. I wanted Michael Luttig nominated for the Supreme Court, and I wanted to shove him right down the throats of our liberal friends. I believe that Kennedy, Pelosi, Reed and other vocal Democrats are actually traitorous and should be prosecuted.

But I confess that I hold views that are not strictly planks in the Republican platform. So my question is this: does one have to agree with every position the party officially takes? And how many are you allowed to disagree with before you become a RINO?

18 posted on 10/10/2005 6:25:04 AM PDT by StatenIsland
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Big government borrow and spenders are not now and have never been conservative. They are neocons. Neocons are generally socially conservative, but are only fiscally conservative when it comes to tax cuts.


23 posted on 10/10/2005 7:52:38 AM PDT by mysterio
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The Miers nomination, however, has made the flatline impossible to ignore, and now that the myth has been shattered, we are left to wonder, what exactly was it that we willed ourselves to believe he believed?

Note to Christians who voted for Bush: This is the end result of voting PRAGMATICALLY. Pragmatism is a secular-humanist methodology, not a Christian one. It is an attempt to manipulate the future (if we vote for Bush, this will happen, or this other thing will not happen, etc.) - to play god, if you will. But God and only God can control the future.

In a Republic such as ours, wherein God gave us the privilege of choosing our leaders, the blame for bad leadership falls squarely on the people who elected them. Will people learn from this? I am not optimistic.

24 posted on 10/10/2005 7:58:24 AM PDT by SmartCitizen
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Bush has as much to do with small government conservatism as the Moon has to do with cheese.


27 posted on 10/10/2005 8:19:27 PM PDT by trubluolyguy (Come to the darkside....we have cookies!)
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