Posted on 10/10/2005 1:27:09 PM PDT by LibertyRocks
One week and two days after the FBI began investigating the Joel Hinrichs case, the feds seemingly have stopped releasing information about what they have learned.
It’s time the FBI opened its files and provided The Daily, other media and the greater public with some of the answers it undoubtedly has, for more than one reason.
First, the public wants to know. Second, and almost more importantly, the longer this silence continues, the more students, faculty and the nation become “certain” in their “knowledge” of what has happened.
But that “knowledge” is based mostly on conjecture and hearsay, and while responsible media can attempt to stave off this unfortunate trend, they will ultimately lose that battle if the FBI fails to realize it has an obligation to speak because only they truly “know” what they have discovered.
Remember, the FBI has commandeered this investigation. In doing so and by not telling anyone anything, they are only allowing the events of Oct. 2 to be misinterpreted over and over by people who are firm in believing something that is false and terribly dangerous.
For example, unsubstantiated claims that Hinrichs had been frequenting the Norman mosque have managed to seep onto television news broadcasts even though everyone we have contacted at the mosque says Hinrichs was never seen there.
So who is lying? Inherently, people should perceive the unfounded news broadcasts as the liars, but that doesn’t always happen. And even if only one person sees and believes such a report there or online, word of mouth can transmit that “truth” to hundreds or thousands within a matter of days.
Which is why it is undeniably the duty of the FBI to break its unctuous vow of silence and talk to somebody. The longer the feds delay in doing so, the more they become equally responsible for misinformed social reactions as the hacks who started these rumors in the first place.
Ping for another OU editorial. Be careful when coming to this thread the spin is tremendous!
I think I got whiplash reading this. LOL
Who has the neckbraces for this one? Pass me one, too, please.
''So who is lying?''
Du-u-u-h-h-h... a real journalist would find out. Is the Gaylord School full of idiots, or what?
It makes you dizzy. ;)
What happened at Georgia Tec today?
The FBI are suppose to work for US, but it always seems they are in the middle of a cover-up of some sort.
We need to figure out how to get Jayna Davis' help to keep this story alive.
What happened at Georgia Tech today?
I've spoken personally via email with Mark Tapscott and he's definitely not going to let this "go away". He's actively investigating.
I've also written to Michelle Malkin, but have not received a reply as of yet. (She's already been covering this though).
I'm not sure how to get in touch with Jayna Davis, but I suspect she has much more information than I about this case.
I will do my part later tonight in forwarding my summary and links to FR to the media contacts I have - most of which happen to be in CO. I haven't contacted many in about 3 years though so the addys I have might be outdated. I personally don't know what else to do, but I'll brainstorm. (o:
Just as long as this one doesn't give me a migraine like Dr. Sloan did last night I'll be alright! LOL This one sure is a doozy though!
Ha ha. Too funny. Tell the OK Daily their attempts at spin are as transparent and pathetic as Boren's. This ain't 1995.
I say repeatedly that the f.b.i. lies to the folks.
I state specific incidents.
Hard to hold them to their wrongdoings though.
They are the man.
Even when allowing folks to go to jail for years to cover for a perp they are protecting.
GEORGIA TECH:
3 explosive devices found in a dumpster by a janitor. Reports state they were in plastic bottles designed to explode when handled. They are treating it as a 'terrorist act' and have called in all the appropriate agencies.
Here's the link to the thread at FR; http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1499882/posts
Here's the link to the last article I read, there may be more sources and info now...
http://www.11alive.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=70306
UCLA?
Drudge is actually covering this one at Georgia Tech. He also has this link up about something found at UCLA although I'm having trouble bringing up the article:
http://www.dailybruin.ucla.edu/news/articles.asp?id=34408
OU AT DRUDGE AGAIN (FINALLY!)
Drudge is finally covering something about OU as well. I'll put the article he found up here at FR in a few minutes... but here is the link:
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2005/10/10/publiceye/entry931118.shtml
I agree... it's pretty pathetic at this point. They are holding on to that "lone suicide" THEORY with every last fiber it appears. I'd say their THEORY has less merit than any of ours at this point.
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2005/10/10/publiceye/entry931118.shtml
http://nebraska.statepaper.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/10/10/434a8f7944e01
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/125256.php
Seems the public eye story is a blog entry? Follow the link above to read it, I'm not posting it as a separate thread. (o:
Explosive Device Found at Los Angeles Apartment
Posted on 10/10/2005 2:13:03 PM PDT by .cnI redruM
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1500074/posts
An explosive device was detonated by the Los Angeles Police Department bomb squad outside of 527 Midvale Ave. on Friday afternoon.
A calm and quiet Westwood was briefly disrupted Friday afternoon when the Los Angeles Police Department bomb squad inspected and detonated an explosive device found within the Midvale Plaza apartment complex on the 500 block of Midvale Avenue.
After responding to a call made at 11:13 a.m., the bomb squad arrived at 527 Midvale Ave. to find "an improvised explosive device" in the building's open-air courtyard, said Grace Brady, a spokeswoman for the LAPD.
No injuries were reported, but authorities have been slow to release details about the incident and the device.
READ MORE
Thanks for posting that excerpt. (o:
Why are Muslims at the mosque believed, but eyewitnesses to the event are not? Why are their accounts taken to be the truth, while anything that contradicts those accounts is discounted as rumor?
Who is lying, you ask, OK Daily? I will tell you. The people at the mosque who you sought out to give you the answers you wanted to hear and print. They are the ones who are lying. And you know that they are. And you are lying as well.
Liars, both of you. You know it, and we know it, so you're just wasting your time trying to convince us otherwise. By printing this offensive editorial, you have drawn a line in the sand, you have thrown down the gauntlet. But we are not afraid. We laugh... while you tremble in fear of the truth.
Makes you sick doesn't it? It would be mighty funny if there wasn't such danger in their dismissing this story and our theories as "conspiracy nut" reports.
Thanks, I hadn't seen that yet.
That's a Boren directive if I ever read one. The media believes off the record police reporting -- I would too.
He has done that before with the OU Daily -- used it to get out his spin.
Are people going to believe off the record law enforcement or Boren. I say off the record as most people on campus know Boren as used the OU Daily in the past.
Seems to me they basically confirmed the report of the mosque by saying off the record law enforcement is saying ...
Anything coming out of OU right now needs parsed. You will usually pick up a few facts in all the media articles buried in with spin, spin, spin.
FBI lies -- you can repeat that over and over again as OK is the perfect example starting with the OKC Bombing.
This article has Boren's fingerprints all over it -- Board of Regents should ask him to resign for interferring with the freedom of the press but they never have yet.
No doubt about it in my eyes.
We've got so far (that I recall off-hand):
1.) Apparent foiled attack planned for NYC
2.) OU "Suicide" bombing (with another device found)
3.) Georgia Tech (3 devices found today)
4.) Car with bombs inside found in East Chicago, IN
5.) Device found in LA
If this isn't the "Happy Ramadan" stuff Bush warned us about in his speech I'd be incredibly surprised.
I think the college-aged American used in the last threat aired by Al-Qaeda should've been the first clue...
They have had some investigative reporters out working this -- this has Boren written all over it -- a lot of them are not buying into the Boren spin. Advisor should never have let him get near the Daily but he has done this in the past on other things that have happened at OU.
This is not a typical OU Daily editorial -- in fact, it isn't that well written and they have some excellent writers.
Yeah and even MSNBC let it slide when the Muslim Student Organization rep Houda Elyagzi said the "officials said under condition of anonymity" reporting was "speculation". The AP and MSNBC themselves use that type of report all the time. Why is it merely "speculation" in the OU case?
I had not trouble with the link just took a long time to be pulled up. it's about an IED found in a student apt complex, and the LAPD bomb squad took care of it, oh and the FBI was there too, it happended on friday.. make you go ummmmmmm. I think I will be EXTRA careful cause I live across the street from cal state-fullerton.
Thank God. We're very lucky the number of casualties hasn't been much greater...
Combine that with the fact you reported about those around you being conspicuously quiet these last few days I would definitely take precautions. Stay safe and God Bless markman.
Because they don't have David Boren and his contacts on board. That man has a long reach.
Beyond sick, because we are dealing with an event that could have cost many lives. And the consequences of this cover-up go beyond this one single event. This cover-up is just the latest chapter in a continuing sweeping under the rug of what's been going on in Norman/OKC for the past fifteen years. To cover up last week's attempted bombing not only denies what has occured in the past, it also leaves the door wide open for more events to occur in the future. It is to deny, repeatedly, the existence of a cancer and to allow it to continue to grow, consequences be damned.
Who is served by permitting this to be so? Who profits from this? Certainly not the public, which is left in the dark and at the mercy of forces intending to do great harm. Those who are required by duty to inform and protect the public seem to have chosen to betray that public instead, and to work hand-in-hand with the enemy. They have made it their mission, it seems, to shut our eyes to the danger, and to make it an offense to wish to survive. Are we sheep to be led to the slaughter, merely to satisfy someone's agenda? If this is what they believe, they are quite wrong.
I can't believe how naive I am....or was...
My son (OSU grad) first saw the original post about this. We immediately thought suicide bomber. Then I read your first posts that night....and have been following all the reports. Never did I think that the "despondent suicidal student" story would pass the smell test. I was certain that the MSM would jump all over it. Boy, was I dumb. :-(
Is the govt. afraid of some religeous war if we know the truth? If not, what is it? I'm sure you're asking the same questions....and deserve some answers! You and thousands of others were very close to being victims of this. And me and mine could be next. Just ticks me off! grrrrrrrr
But how far is he willing to go? How far are all the spinners willing to go? When one of these attacks finally succeeds as planned, the whole house of cards they've built up will collapse. What will they do then? What will they do when people are dead, the culprits are obvious, and Al Qaeda itself claims responsibility? Will they try to force the genie back into the bottle?
Your "blind hog" comment reminded me of something I wanted to point out in Hinrichs father's comments that has me puzzled. From watching the interview on MSNBC the other day it appears to me that his father is an incredibly intelligent individual - well-read and well-spoken. He is very succinct when choosing what he says.
One of his first interviews (when he was still somewhat emotional) included a question about his son being a possible terrorist. His comment in reply was; his son would be associated with Islamic terrorists "when pigs fly". Rather odd to me that he chose this comment instead of something more eloquent.
Perhaps I'm reading more into it, and perhaps I need a tin-foil hat for this post, but seeing as he was told right before this by the FBI to keep mum about certain things he might have given a clue even then. Even if his dad was sure he was associated with Muslims he couldn't come out and say that obviously... Perhaps the "pigs fly" comment was a reference to 9/11 and the Norman connection with Moussoui?
I tend to believe that the soda can in Penn Station was a false alarm... but what's to stop a terrorist from leaving behind a soda can filled with TATP? A soda can that will probably explode if someone comes along and moves it in any way?
So who is lying? Inherently, people should perceive the unfounded news broadcasts as the liars, but that doesn’t always happen. And even if only one person sees and believes such a report there or online, word of mouth can transmit that “truth” to hundreds or thousands within a matter of days."
In other words, reputable news organizations that have reported news these guys don't like are to be disbelieved and branded as liars in deference to people whose interests are at stake if THEY'RE lying. The last sentence tells me this editorial was written by someone who has much different priorities than freedom of the press. ("Here's your editorial. Sign it and publish it.")
Also check out the use of the words "lying" and "liars". This editorial was not written by a journalist. This editorial was written by someone who's almost hysterically denying something.
It's from the oudaily.com -- the college newspaper which might explain the spin.
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