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Crisis In The Cosmos?
Science News Online ^ | 10-13-2005 | Ron Cowen

Posted on 10/13/2005 5:15:33 PM PDT by blam

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1 posted on 10/13/2005 5:15:37 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

Interesting. Thanks for posting.


2 posted on 10/13/2005 5:24:43 PM PDT by EternalHope (Boycott everything French forever. Including their vassal nations.)
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To: blam

I don't believe in Elvis or dark matter. The latter is regular matter at great distance, with properties as yet not understood by current theories.


3 posted on 10/13/2005 5:24:45 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember
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To: blam
Let me be the first: Bush's Fault for Crisis in the Cosmos.
4 posted on 10/13/2005 5:28:58 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: blam
a spectrum of the galaxy—the only sure way to measure its distance

Right there is the origin of the contradiction. All Hubble or Einstein said about it was that they didn't know of another consistent mechanism to explain the Hubble redshift.

5 posted on 10/13/2005 5:37:07 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: FormerACLUmember
I don't believe in Elvis or dark matter. The latter is regular matter at great distance, with properties as yet not understood by current theories.

Verily.

The Big Bang is still a theory, as is the expanding universe. We are deducing from sparse evidence.

Greater things than this will be revealed. The universe is a mystery beyond the brightest and the best among us.

6 posted on 10/13/2005 5:40:12 PM PDT by Louis Foxwell (THIS IS WAR AND I MEAN TO WIN IT.)
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To: blam
Faith......

I can't see these "distant" old galaxies or stars or "cold dark matter" but I have "Faith" that what they(these men of science) say is true. The equations and the little marks on the LCD screens show what "is" out there...and I have "faith" that what these men and machines tell me is "true".

So a man came to earth, died and rose again...witnessed by many and did so after he said he would...but if you "have faith" in that story you are labeled a kook.....or worse.

This story and the way it is stretching to explain the universe is funny. I've met several physicists and during their education they became Christians.... it's really funny. Because the more in depth they went into the theoretical aspects of physics the more questions of randomness and organization of particles, electrons, protons, neutrons, orbitals, and the interactions in order to create "life" even a single helix RNA virus is so unimaginable when you look at vastness of space that they said they couldn't help but believe in God.

I've looked at the curl of hair and the gentle folds of my daughter's ear, then looked up at the sky and the stars and thought about how "random" collisions could create one from the other.... and I came away a Christian..... a poor one, not deserving of the gifts that have been given me, but a Christian none the less.

I'd like the Freepers that may have doubts about their belief in God to read this article and think of how you stand on the subject of randomness or divine intervention.

of course this is only my opinion and I could be wrong....

7 posted on 10/13/2005 5:40:46 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck......... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.)
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To: RadioAstronomer

ping


8 posted on 10/13/2005 6:17:03 PM PDT by saganite (The poster formerly known as Arkie 2)
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To: blam
I love these articles.   Ping me if find something like this again soon.
9 posted on 10/13/2005 6:26:55 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: FormerACLUmember

The later is not "matter at a great distance". The two main categories that are considered possible candidates for dark matter have been dubbed MACHOs (Massive Astrophysical Compact Halo Objects), and WIMPs (Weakly Interacting Massive Particles). This problem has been known for a long time. Discordant red shifts have been studied and documented for some time suggesting that accepted cosmological theory is in need of some major revisions. I think there are a lot of bad assumptions that have been made starting with the big bang. Then the tempting idea of the expanding collapsing universe with Carl Sagan loved so well. I'm more in favor of a universe based not on a big bang but more of a big steady state quantum pond which has infinite capacity. lol I surprised I've not heard much talk about the implications of time shift caused by low areas of gravitational influence in interstellar space. Time slows down in areas of intense gravity and at high speeds, it may be that some distance anomolies are mirages of a sort caused not by time dilation but by time inflation.

http://www.astro.virginia.edu/~jh8h/glossary/redshift.htm


10 posted on 10/13/2005 6:45:16 PM PDT by Ma3lst0rm (Assumptions are only facts when they have their heads firmly stuck up their rears.)
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11 posted on 10/13/2005 6:45:30 PM PDT by PatrickHenry ( I won't respond to a troll, crackpot, retard, or incurable ignoramus.)
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To: blam

Maybe it's a rival "National League" Cosmos gearing up for the big game.


12 posted on 10/13/2005 6:51:55 PM PDT by P.O.E. (.)
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13 posted on 10/13/2005 6:55:17 PM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: blam
I'm getting very tired of cosmologists. They construct tentative theories to explain observatrional data, bandy them around as if they're the absolute truth, and then profess they're in a crisis when (almost inevitably) something doesn't fit.

A respectable field of science, if that's what they aim to be, could use about 90% less melodrama.

14 posted on 10/13/2005 7:41:01 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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In reality, the tone at scientific conferences is very different from how it's presented in the press. Reporters add the melodrama. The basic theory of cosmology hasn't changed much in 25 years. Dark energy was the big surprise.
15 posted on 10/13/2005 8:03:10 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: RightWhale; RadioAstronomer

inquiry: has any mathematical or computer model (ok, same thing, but with graphics) been done based on a given set including not only the "suddenly expanding singularity" of the classic BBT but ALSO the existence of fully formed material and energetic bodies?

meaning, in lay terms (which, as a layman, I should really stick with): a model built around the notion that some of the stuff in the present universe came from the expanding singularity 14Byears ago, and some of the stuff is a hell of a lot older

anyone even bothered looking at the possibility?


16 posted on 10/13/2005 8:03:28 PM PDT by King Prout ("La LAAAA La la la la... oh [bleep!] Gargamel has a FLAMETHROWEEEEEAAAAAAARRRRRGH!")
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To: Physicist; Right Wing Professor; Gumlegs

your opinions, please, on my inquiry in #16 above


17 posted on 10/13/2005 8:05:06 PM PDT by King Prout ("La LAAAA La la la la... oh [bleep!] Gargamel has a FLAMETHROWEEEEEAAAAAAARRRRRGH!")
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To: Physicist
In reality, the tone at scientific conferences is very different from how it's presented in the press. Reporters add the melodrama. The basic theory of cosmology hasn't changed much in 25 years. Dark energy was the big surprise.

If dark energy actually exists. I have a problem with making up something which has no experimental basis, simply to make the equations fit. I know it worked with neutrinos, but that doesn't make it good science.

Cosmologists should make an active effort to tone it down. It's a speculative field, and shouldn't be represented as anything else. If journalists are blowing it out of proportion, cosmologists should speak out against it. Meanwhile, it gives the rest of science a bad name.

18 posted on 10/13/2005 8:15:59 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: PatrickHenry

Thanks for the ping!


19 posted on 10/13/2005 8:17:00 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Darksheare

"con't"

???

DARKS!


20 posted on 10/13/2005 8:44:50 PM PDT by King Prout ("La LAAAA La la la la... oh [bleep!] Gargamel has a FLAMETHROWEEEEEAAAAAAARRRRRGH!")
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